1 hour ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

They *have* to do this.  This FS2020 doesn't have one single good navigation system other than VOR to VOR...to pre-GPS days.  XPlane, by comparison, has G1000 (accurate, with VNAV, VNAV direct, ATK offset, activate leg and more), GNS530, GNS430 plus everything offered by Reality XP.  If they don't do something they're going to have a whole lot of crippled, half-baked GA just, more or less, wandering around...none of them on VATSIM.

I agree here...

MSFS should learn from LR....build solid systems and let the 3P DEVs tap into what is already working / available. I think this actually helps 3P Devs and ensures consistency for the users.

 

44 minutes ago, breality211 said:

so did they not mention the two week update cycle? Or has that been replaced with a monthly update cycle now?

They actually confirmed the two weeks update cycle. But there will be larger content updates like world or sim updates regularly as well.

One thing is clear. This projects magnitude is absolutely enormous.  And with that, comes a somewhat overwhelming list of to do tasks be it bug smashing, implementing features, preparing ground work, and data preparation. Community feedback is sure paramount, but unfortunately alot of it is not very constructive. In fact its downright discouraging with all the stomping and anger that doesnt have a fix in 15min. They are certainly committed, and the amount of different teams focused on different areas is proof of that, but this is simply going to take a while to mature. Alot of promising features, and commitments to improve existing which I found to be encouraging.  Think this communication Q&A sessions are paramount, so long as the questions are not skirted. But many of the concerns were addressed, whether you are pleased with the answer is another matter.  Certainly alot of legality is involved because of contracts they have of which we dont have any info about so presuming things, where we dont have facts doesnt help. 

Keep up the great work MS/Asobo, and in time this will be a beast of a sim to enjoy.  We as a community just must be patient. 

46 minutes ago, Mark VII said:

 thx a lot modders, you are the ones who deserve all the credits, thx a lot 🙏

No.

2 hours ago, Paul_Yorks said:

There were even people in chat saying we want study-level default planes.  If you've been around the block a bit, you know that is a non-starter. 

Certainly, it would be much better for them to focus on an SDK that allows the big hitters to develop high fidelity aircraft for the sim.  Plus anyone who thinks aircraft at that level are going to be included as a free base game item has a failed understanding of the economics of that suggestion.

2 hours ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

They *have* to do this.  This FS2020 doesn't have one single good navigation system other than VOR to VOR...to pre-GPS days.  XPlane, by comparison, has G1000 (accurate, with VNAV, VNAV direct, ATK offset, activate leg and more), GNS530, GNS430 plus everything offered by Reality XP.  If they don't do something they're going to have a whole lot of crippled, half-baked GA just, more or less, wandering around...none of them on VATSIM.

Why do you need to have all that stuff to fly on VATSIM? 
Maybe ASOBO wanted simmers to learn to fly for a change...

We never had anything like this with any other Sim.  Excellent progress in the communication area.

Thanks ASOBO / Microsoft

 

bs

27 minutes ago, regis9 said:

Certainly, it would be much better for them to focus on an SDK that allows the big hitters to develop high fidelity aircraft for the sim.  Plus anyone who thinks aircraft at that level are going to be included as a free base game item has a failed understanding of the economics of that suggestion.

Wouldn't hurt for them to have one.  Still, agreed about the SDK.  Honestly, they're going to *have* to fix the autopilot and they're going to *have* to have a couple of solid NAV systems if they're going to have any meaningful GA.  The Gx000 suite makes the most sense since so many aircraft come with it these days.  Again, you can't partner with VATSIM in any meaningful way without them. 

EDIT:  They *can't* rely on Carenado's G1000...they just can't.  

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by Gregg_Seipp

10 minutes ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

EDIT:  They *can't* rely on Carenado's G1000...they just can't.  

From the interview it sounds the Garmin code will be done by Garmin.

I think that is the best way forward and hopefully the GTN 750 will be available.

 

Cheers

bs

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by bean_sprout

34 minutes ago, Doug47 said:

Why do you need to have all that stuff to fly on VATSIM? 
Maybe ASOBO wanted simmers to learn to fly for a change...

Well, if they wanted that then they probably shouldn't have made planes with GPSs at all, right?  (Though, you can file and fly as a /A in just about all of the planes.)  And, in this case, anybody that wants to fly a modern plane will end up on X-Plane or, possibly, P3D.  You are right, it is good practice flying of the magenta line.  But, If they don't have any nav systems FS2020 is going to get a lot of vintage GA and no modern GA and a lot of planes won't port over while the jets flying overhead are all modern.

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by Gregg_Seipp

51 minutes ago, Doug47 said:

Why do you need to have all that stuff to fly on VATSIM? 
Maybe ASOBO wanted simmers to learn to fly for a change...

If we want the sim to be the best it can be, we can't retreat into deflections like this.

The modern avionics systems need to get better.  And I'm sure they will, because I don't think for a second Asobo are trying to force people to "learn to fly for a change".

Was happy to see them address the fact that their recent updates were rushed too quickly and introduced new bugs, and that they were doing something about it.  I get the impulse to want to rush out fixes and improvements as fast as possible, but not if it breaks other core systems on a bi-weekly basis.

 

51 minutes ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

They *can't* rely on Carenado's G1000...they just can't.  

My impression was that Jorg was saying they were going to put in the work to make a relatively feature-complete G1000, specifically because they don't think it makes sense for third parties to all have to create their own.  I was bouncing around the video a lot though, so maybe I missed something.

10 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

I was bouncing around the video a lot though, so maybe I missed something.

I don't think you missed anything. They want Carenado (as an example) to use their upgraded Garmins in their aircraft, without compromising fidelity. They also would like to leave room for upscale Garmins provided by 3rd party developers (Flight1 and Reality-XP come to mind).

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by airlinejets

1 hour ago, regis9 said:

Certainly, it would be much better for them to focus on an SDK that allows the big hitters to develop high fidelity aircraft for the sim.

A question I have is whether the actual features exist in the SIM to be documented in an SKD. I may be wrong, but my impression is it is not just a question of documentation, it is that in many cases the content that 3PD's need has not even been fully coded yet. 

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by Cognita

I also really liked what I heard and I appreciate them coming out and talking with the community. And they do look tired! I also have the impression that they are sincere in their desire to produce an exceptional modern simulation platform. What they have put forward is such an  immense undertaking that it is going to take time, but I am confident once it gets there it will be an amazing experience. I have happy to be here to see it unfold

It is good they now seem appreciate the need for a deep simulation of avionics; it will make the default experience much better and likely make it a lot easier for other aircraft developers to come onboard. I am also really happy if they have indeed closed off third party weather programs; this is one dimension of flight simulation that the core platform really needs to get right.

3 hours ago, Mark VII said:

A lot of future promises which belong to politicians with lost grip with reality, luckily modders are speaking with facts instead, thx a lot modders, you are the ones who deserve all the credits, thx a lot 🙏

Future promises? If they didn’t talk about the future then what’s the option? I know....not talk at all...:no updates at all. You want that?