19 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Another day, another GSalden complaint about getting flamed in the MSFS forums. 

He and Rob continually jumping in to the MSFS forum to pedal their out of date (P3D) platform. Not sure what they have against MSFS, but it is clear there is an agenda here. 

 

4 hours ago, tpete61 said:

It is wrong to state the CTD problem is on the OP's end! You might want to peruse the forums before making this bold claim. The forums are littered with people having CTD's. Myself included. I'm not complaining about it, but it is fact. There are many people that have CTD problems and many that don't. I've read enough of them to believe some of it lies with MS/Asobo to dig further into it. I have an older PC and a very new one the CTD's occur on both very randomly.

Nope, it's not wrong at all. Nothing is truly random with a computer, at its heart, what a computer does is all ones and zeros interacting with one another, sometimes in a bad way, but there is always a reason for a PC either behaving or not behaving. Ruling out things such as problematic hardware not being up to the job, we can therefore surmise that if the sim runs okay for a number of people, and not for some others, often with similar hardware, then the problem, or the lack of it, depending on which computer is the host device, therefore has to be down to the device running the software and invariably some software routine clashing with another one. This is a simple logical deduction and it is why I know I can fire up MSFS 2020 right now on my computer, and it will run just fine, every time. 

What the problem might be for some people may take some finding, but I can guarantee it will be something software system related. Sometimes it is something bizarre, for example, when the game Mount and Blade Bannerlord was released earlier this year, many people were running it just fine from day one, but it would never get past the load screen for me and a few other people. I wrestled with the problem for about two weeks, searching the Steam forums and elsewhere to try to find out what it might be, and I tried numerous suggested fixes, which did not work, until I eventually found a suggestion which did work, and it was a bizarre one, which is why I took me so long to get to the bottom of it. Turned out it was a minor language setting on my PC's operating system needing to be switched to something slightly unusual in order for the software to make it past the load screen. You would think this would have had no bearing on the software, but there it was. Like I say, ones and zeros interacting, nothing actually wrong with my PC, just a setting which clashed with the software.

7 hours ago, Keto Ketchup said:

For me, the thrill of "I quit" threads is gone.

Perfect! 😄

2 hours ago, pmb said:

These threads are so predictable. I can clearly fortell what everyone of the always same persons participating - me not excepted - will state after reading the first three contributions.

Kind regards, Michael

Yes, and you'r always among the sensible ones, i admire your consistency 🙂 You'r a gentleman 🙂

Edited October 8, 20205 yr by leprechaunlive

Same old blabla

7 hours ago, NightOfDreams said:

Same here. I've put many many hours into MSFS since August 18 and not an single CTD. Now P3D v5 was another story - getting a flight in without a CTD was like winning the lottery

Can't believe it. I jinxed it. Just had my first CTD from bringing up the VFR map. Completely ridiculous!! Unplayable!!

Edited October 9, 20205 yr by NightOfDreams

5 hours ago, wthomas33065 said:

And I would suggest that frustrated members use "official" channels to submit their bug reports and allow the feedback process the time it takes to complete.

AVSIM is NOT an official MSFS channel,  No one here has any say on how MS of Asobo does business.  You are "preaching to the choir".  

In my over 3 decades of using Flight Simulator products, I can tell you hands down, that no one has been more responsive to community feedback than the current development team.  And for that, they are often met with snarky comments, attacks on their character, and accusations of incompetence. 

As a person who works in software development, I find such behavior offensive.  

I also find it disingenuous when people try to compare a 6 week old product with one that has matured.  

I urged you in another post to try FS9 and FSX in their out of the box condition to see just how far we have come.  When you take inflation into play, we are paying less now for MSFS than we have ever paid.  And even with it's bugs, I have not seen a more complete product.  And when everything clicks, it clicks in a way that boggles the mind.

Are there things that need fixing?  Sure.  Did some annoying bugs escape QA?  Yes.  Do they warrant the endless stream of "I'm taking my toys and going home" type posts we see nearly every day?  No.

And do users of MSFS go to FSX, P3D and XP forums to simply toss daggers and grenades at their products?   NO.

All I ask is the same courtesy.  If you have a frustration, and it's a known issue, we get it.   Some of us will even try to help you troubleshoot the issue.   For example, CTD's are more often than not issues with individual workstations and drivers and not widespread problems.   And many here will be happy to help try and see if we can help you out with that.

But if your point is to simply Bemoan the fact that the G1000 is inaccurate in every single post that someone makes.  Or if you claim that because the Autopilot somehow sends you into a death spiral occasionally, the sim is "unflyable" then I suggest you keep your emotions in check.

This is a flight simulator, and the purpose of flight simulators is to help you recover from unforeseen failures.  So when my Grand Caravan's Autopilot decides to kill me, I just figure the guy running the sim wanted to keep me on my toes, and I try to recover and finish the flight.  

It's all about perspective.  If you have a good one, you can find things to enjoy while the bugs are being worked out.  But especially this year, I can only speak for myself, I've had my share of negativity, and I come to these forums to escape that.

I’m sorry, but your latter point is actually absurd. 
The purpose of a flight simulator is to provide a realistic and accurate simulated model of a real aircraft, its systems, and its dynamics as applicable to the environment it is operated in, such that a user may use the simulator in a fashion that resembles operation in the real world. When a simulated aircraft does not behave in a manner to be expected of it, such as an autopilot related death dive, the value of the simulator is diminished - not enhanced. 
 

A simulator can indeed be used as a tool to help recover from unforeseen failures, but in all instances those failures should be programmable by the user, such as via a “failures” setting, not induced by a software bug. Framing your Grand Caravan’s autopilot malfunctions as a deliberate attempt to keep you on your toes may be a good psychological coping mechanism, but you shouldn’t expect everybody to be as accepting as yourself of major bugs like this. 
 

I’ve made excellent use of X-Plane 11 in recent years as an IFR procedural trainer, which has been incredibly handy before an instrument proficiency check in the real world. I would very much like to be able to use MSFS2020 as an educational device and training aid in the same way, but that’s currently impossible. 
 

You may come here for an escape from your frustrations, but this is a forum for a piece of software in ongoing development. There are others who use Avsim to either vent their frustrations, or to raise awareness of the myriad of issues affecting the sim. Sometimes their frustrations may seem exaggerated, and that may well be the case, but they’re still perfectly entitled to vent them. 

8 hours ago, Ixoye said:

I'm playing Mafia Definitive Edition while waiting for patch 4.

Mafia DE is on my steam wishlist. How is it compared to the original?

57 minutes ago, BigWings said:

I’m sorry, but your latter point is actually absurd. 
The purpose of a flight simulator is to provide a realistic and accurate simulated model of a real aircraft, its systems, and its dynamics as applicable to the environment it is operated in, such that a user may use the simulator in a fashion that resembles operation in the real world. When a simulated aircraft does not behave in a manner to be expected of it, such as an autopilot related death dive, the value of the simulator is diminished - not enhanced. 
 

A simulator can indeed be used as a tool to help recover from unforeseen failures, but in all instances those failures should be programmable by the user, such as via a “failures” setting, not induced by a software bug. Framing your Grand Caravan’s autopilot malfunctions as a deliberate attempt to keep you on your toes may be a good psychological coping mechanism, but you shouldn’t expect everybody to be as accepting as yourself of major bugs like this. 
 

I’ve made excellent use of X-Plane 11 in recent years as an IFR procedural trainer, which has been incredibly handy before an instrument proficiency check in the real world. I would very much like to be able to use MSFS2020 as an educational device and training aid in the same way, but that’s currently impossible. 
 

You may come here for an escape from your frustrations, but this is a forum for a piece of software in ongoing development. There are others who use Avsim to either vent their frustrations, or to raise awareness of the myriad of issues affecting the sim. Sometimes their frustrations may seem exaggerated, and that may well be the case, but they’re still perfectly entitled to vent them. 

And I see you missed the entire point of my post.  I did not mention that I use this as a "coping mechanism" to accept major bugs.  I don't.  I expect major bugs to be fixed.  What I don't expect is for a software development team with a 10 year plan to suddenly just hop to my every whim and wish and fix everything in a matter of weeks.  Nor do I come on other product forums, where people are enjoying themselves to simply rain on their parade by announcing my displeasure (as countless have done before me), or inserting snide little passive aggressive notes when someone posts a screenshot of one of their past adventures.

Venting is one thing, but harping is something else.  You've vented, move on.  Have a nice day.  I imagine you've done your due diligence, created a detailed bug report with clear reproduction steps, and accurate hardware environment so that the development team can work on it.   I also expect that you have gone into the official forums and done your research to see if this is a new issue, and something that hasn't  been already acknowledged in at least THREE of the weekly updates, or explained in the release notes.

I also understand the need to vent, but it can be done without questioning the professionalism, or dedication of the team providing the product.

I am happy you've made excellent use of X-Plane 11 for IFR procedures.  I encourage you to continue to do so.  And I promise I won't come in on an X-Plane forum and rain on your posts harping on the poor VFR representation XP has out of the box.  

My previous point is a valid one.   No one walks into a McDonalds, and proclaims to all present, that they are fed up, and are giving up McDonalds for Burger King, and expects anyone dining there to give a nickel about your "opinion".  .  Nor does anyone walk around the dining room, inserting themselves into a conversation and stating that while the Quarter Pounder they are eating may look good, the McChicken sucks and as such the entire menu is useless or inedible.

Yet that type of post is exactly what is being posted here, and we are supposed to validate that logic?  

I don't think so.

https://youtu.be/BPlsqo2bk2M

I have only had one or two CTD's ever with fs2020 and none since last update.  I have a yoke, pedals, throttle quadrant and lots of addons in the community folder.

I did start with a brand new PC (thus a fresh windows 10 install) for fs2020 so maybe that is the difference?

8 hours ago, GSalden said:

... it has to do with Asobo not having had the time to make a solid base. And that releasing extra scenery packages seem to be more important ( roadmap ) than fixing the base first.

....exactly, that's it. To me this comes as no real surprise. 

Frustrated consumers should be allowed to talk about their issues they experienced with this software, instead of getting  "shredded" by others.

If not on avsim, where else ?

6 hours ago, RICHUK said:

He and Rob continually jumping in to the MSFS forum to pedal their out of date (P3D) platform. Not sure what they have against MSFS, but it is clear there is an agenda here. 

 

Another one with a lot of imagination.....

😂😂😂

Edited October 9, 20205 yr by GSalden

12 hours ago, kfd said:

I don’t comment much on this forum, but it is a real pain in the a*se to keep reading about angry people throwing in the towel on this sim.  I have an average PC and can’t get enough of MSFS2020.  For example I have just completed a small navex in the C152 from RAF Halton Flying Club to Milton Keynes, Silverstone, Aylesbury and back to Halton using a real world CAA 1:500 000 nav chart.  Threw in some weather and the whole flight worked perfectly and the scenery was perfectly in line with the chart.  I used to fly the C152 in real life and with the Mod, it is terrific.

Oh, a local flyer! Based in Northants here, grew up in Aylesbury. I love taking flights over Buckinghamshire.

Just now, spacedyemeerkat said:

Oh, a local flyer! Based in Northants here, grew up in Aylesbury. I love taking flights over Buckinghamshire.

I think we should kind of bear in mind that it seemed European weather was a bit less problematic than that in the US and that this probably coloured the views of some US users. That said, us Limeys here in Blighty have been putting up with very US-centric ATC terminology and procedures in flight sims ever since FS2002 introduced ATC!