After listening to their conversations before flight, my gut feeling as with the ladies would be to stay on the ground on this flight.

 

 

Love the way all the people on the video comments on youtube are banging on about it being some kind of 'miracle'. If that's true, then shouldn't the magic sky wizard have 'miraculously' kept the engine running for them instead? Seems like the preferable option to me if an omnipotent being is going to intervene in matters.

I can only assume that the magic sky fairy is not good with the internal workings of flat six aero engines; but give him some loaves and fishes, and Bob's yer uncle. 🤣

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by Chock

Chock, I'll be grinning all day for that. 😄

Well, at least they survived. Not knowing the full details, did the plane stall some distance above the ground? Could the pilot not have carried a little more speed to make a landing on that field - he seemed to be gliding fine beforehand (stall warning going off intermittently??)

Armchair questions I know..

Where can you buy those ball caps with the bills in the back? Everything in the stores around here have the bill in the front.

This demonstrates that just because you know how to operate an airplane and have a license, doesn't mean that you should.

Dave

50 minutes ago, HighBypass said:

Well, at least they survived. Not knowing the full details, did the plane stall some distance above the ground? Could the pilot not have carried a little more speed to make a landing on that field - he seemed to be gliding fine beforehand (stall warning going off intermittently??)

Armchair questions I know..

Many "ifs" and "buts".

The outcome was good, no casualties and permanent injuries (from what I gathered, might be wrong). So the pilot handled engine out from low altitude good.

But you shed some light on an interesting point that some GA-flyers (sorry for generalize) aren't comfortable with: point the nose down and abandon best glide.

In my PA28...If you are flying best glide (73KIAS)  and just turned final to the runway with 20+kts headwind causing your ground speed to be  a complete mess and you realize you probably will be landing short...don't give up. Try to point the nose down and pick some speed (7-9 kts is enough, also retract flaps if you already were semi-commited to the landing).

Now, the negative effect of the headwind  - that would be your slow groundspeed - will be of shorter duration since you are flying faster, and you can "ballon" your self onto the threshold when deploying flaps.  a Piper Warrior will stall at 44 knots with full flaps, so you will gain significant ground when extending the 3 stages of flaps in quick succesion.
 

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by SAS443

I am not going to Monday morning quarterback this incident.  I have some opinions, I will keep them to myself.  I am glad that there were no fatalities.

The accident site was at 8100MSL in August,wonder what the density altitude was?

https://www.aviation-safety.net/wikibase/239239

 

39 minutes ago, stans said:

I am not going to Monday morning quarterback this incident.  I have some opinions, I will keep them to myself.  I am glad that there were no fatalities.

I'm with you. Thank God I've never faced the challenge(s) of an engine failure. But be it far from me to judge the actions of those who've been there. None of can really know what we'd do, or not do, in a similar situation.

1 hour ago, SAS443 said:

 

But you shed some light on an interesting point that some GA-flyers (sorry for generalize) aren't comfortable with: point the nose down and abandon best glide.

In my PA28...If you are flying best glide (73KIAS)  and just turned final to the runway with 20+kts headwind causing your ground speed to be  a complete mess and you realize you probably will be landing short...don't give up. Try to point the nose down and pick some speed (7-9 kts is enough, also retract flaps if you already were semi-commited to the landing).

 

 

Precisely, was about to type the same until I realised you guys had come to the same conclusion. 

49 minutes ago, stans said:

I am not going to Monday morning quarterback this incident.  I have some opinions, I will keep them to myself.  I am glad that there were no fatalities.

Yup. Think I'd have been inclined to get the nose down a little more, so that you could do more of a 'landing' than an 'arrival', but as you say, easy to judge when not in the situation yourself. I cringed a bit when the stall horn was going off and the pilot was steering left to avoid coming down into a tree. I think maybe the fact that there was a full cabin and thus more weight might have been a contributing factor to it being a less than optimal landing, but since any landing you can walk, or be hauled away from to tell the tale another day is good enough.

I recall a cross country flight from Ogden Utah to Salt Lake City and back at night.  On the way back I asked my instructor what to do at night if your engine quit.  He told me, "Establish a glide and hope you don't hit the side of a barn."

Noel

Dude didn't want to fly, don't make him fly, those ladies were annoying I bet they won't fly ever again

The last time someone forced someone onto an aircraft he pulled the eject seat handle, yes nervous flyers should stay on the ground.

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by Matthew Kane

16 hours ago, birdguy said:

I recall a cross country flight from Ogden Utah to Salt Lake City and back at night.  On the way back I asked my instructor what to do at night if your engine quit.  He told me, "Establish a glide and hope you don't hit the side of a barn."

I thought the official advice was, "As you near the ground, turn on your landing lights.  If you don't like what you see, turn them back off." 😄 

Hook