7 minutes ago, Bosco19 said:

Do people expect a paradigm shift with each new generation sim? It seems so - and who could blame them. If your expectations were based on the hype MS fed out before the release of 2020, you are bound to be disappointed right now. Is this unjust? Of course. But this is how big business typically works. I'm as bummed as many of you, but after my initial disappointment, I calmed down and realized that this new title IS a paradigm shift - or we might more correctly say - this is the PROMISE of a paradigm shift. It's far from being there yet, but the foundation IS there. We just have to be patient. This is a really massive undertaking. What sim prior to this has taken on the task of encompassing the entire planet in some believable level of detail? And consider that there is a broad range of simmers out there, all wanting their individual interests served. I'm glad I'm not the one that has to take that on. I'm really a hard-core VFR flyer. I spent my 30 years as a PP building and flying simple VFR aircraft. I would love it if MSFS had an onboard working chart system that could be used to plot out a simple VFR cross-country, using pilotage (they did provide a usable VOR system). That may never happen. Still, there is so much in 2020 to keep me interested and engaged until perfection arrives (if ever), that it allows me to be calm, be patient, and entertain myself with what's here. A lot of you seem to have the attitude: "either it's perfect, or I'm outa' here!"  Perhaps you should be looking at yourselves instead of this imperfect digital chaos.

I can remember when a popular sim now, was in the first stages, and it was so far beyond horrible, I couldn't see how anyone could fly with it. Took them well over a decade to get it where it was usable. FS 2020 is only months old. My guess is that in a couple of years, it will be the go to for most simmers. 

37 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Who said the goal was a GA sim? .. Where did they state that goal? Can you point it out for me ?

There was a quote attached to my comment. Some say that currently, MSFS is great for GA, but P3D is the sim for airliners. My point was it these questions can be put to bed if AS/MS do everything they can to get complex airliners into the sim as fast as possible. The sim gains legitimacy in the eyes of those who only fly complex airliners when complex airliners exist in the sim. It is a pretty simple observation, but it is not necessarily my opinion. I'm typing this while watching the sunrise during a flight in the FBWA320 from VTBS to RPVM, so I clearly think the sim is coming along.

 

1 minute ago, duckbilled said:

There was a quote attached to my comment. Some say that currently, MSFS is great for GA, but P3D is the sim for airliners. My point was it these questions can be put to bed if AS/MS do everything they can to get complex airliners into the sim as fast as possible. The sim gains legitimacy in the eyes of those who only fly complex airliners when complex airliners exist in the sim. It is a pretty simple observation, but it is not necessarily my opinion. I'm typing this while watching the sunrise during a flight in the FBWA320 from VTBS to RPVM, so I clearly think the sim is coming along.

 

Thats fair and i did note that you personally dont have an issue with the platform. Where we diverge is the application of urgency to satisfy the airliner group and funny enough i fall within that category but you have to be reasonable and allow the developer to complete the build out of the platform (Its no longer static) and third party will have to follow suit and adjust. Its a different level of development. For those who come into it with that  understanding the bumps and deficiencies are tolerable It will get fixed eventually. For those with the hard and fast expectation to fly Airbus A50's and Boeing 787's in IFR conditions from the jump.. stick to the mature product until the new sim meets the standards you want.

46 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I can remember when a popular sim now, was in the first stages, and it was so far beyond horrible, I couldn't see how anyone could fly with it. Took them well over a decade to get it where it was usable. FS 2020 is only months old. My guess is that in a couple of years, it will be the go to for most simmers. 

It already is, based on sales figures I have seen and the general impression I have from the forums.

3 hours ago, Bosco19 said:

If your expectations were based on the hype MS fed out before the release of 2020, you are bound to be disappointed right now.

Huh? My expectations were met and exceeded in MSFS. 

2 hours ago, duckbilled said:

if AS/MS do everything they can to get complex airliners into the sim as fast as possible

That is not their stated goal. Their goal is to create the ecosystem for 3PDs to do their thing, whether it's complex airliners or not. 

Edited January 17, 20215 yr by Slides

9 minutes ago, Slides said:

That is not their stated goal. Their goal is to create the ecosystem for 3PDs to do their thing, whether it's complex airliners or not. 

 

Potentially the availability of multiple complex airliners will actually be a dissuading factor for new customers wanting to dabble in MSFS for fun as it sort of implies big learning curves and a huge time investment.

Basically MS need to encourage the development of complex aircraft without putting off the people that just want to fly upside down in a biplane in a thunderstorm under the Eiffel Tower.

WOW! After reading all these replies, I had to go back and re-read my original post to be sure of what I posted! I appreciate all the input but it seems some missed the point.....it was not about additional planes, not about 'VFR v IFR', not about 'bugs', not about a lot of what some interpreted.

It was about missing features from FSX that should have been included in 2020, IMHO. Things like 'shared cockpit'......adding additional way points to a flight plan (drag and drop)....ATC tower views (with radar)....the list goes on.....

I could go into all the reasons why, but everyone has their personal preferences, these are only a few of mine. Just for background, I am a retired commercial pilot, and long time user of flight sim, and in FSX I used to fly daily with a large group of like minded pilots. 

Hopes this explains it a bit clearer...thanks for all the input!

7 minutes ago, PIC007 said:

It was about missing features from FSX that should have been included in 2020, IMHO. Things like 'shared cockpit'......adding additional way points to a flight plan (drag and drop)....ATC tower views (with radar)....the list goes on.....

MSFS is still essentially in development and is going to be worked on for quite a few more years. It’s entirely possible more features like that can or will be added in the future, either by Asobo or the 3rs party devs.

Also MSFS gives users some new and exciting features that FSX never had, so there’s some positives as well.

29 minutes ago, PIC007 said:

WOW! After reading all these replies, I had to go back and re-read my original post to be sure of what I posted! I appreciate all the input but it seems some missed the point.....it was not about additional planes, not about 'VFR v IFR', not about 'bugs', not about a lot of what some interpreted.

 

Well, you asked this: "Anyone else a bit disappointed in the current state of affairs or am I alone on this?"

And then you got a lot of replies.

Some time back, I too posted that MSFS somehow wasn't as much fun as the older versions.  That being said, I got it the day it was released and have never looked at older sims since.  It's true, that there are a lot of things we have given up in exchange for the very real world. 

To me, one of the biggies is that MSFS kind of concentrates on you flying from one point to another, then you end the flight.  In older versions, you might land, then switch to another aircraft and be off again.  The long loading times of MSFS make that a bit less likely.

Some people complain about the lack of complexity in the aircraft, I go the other way.  They're just fine for me, I don't even know what many of the things in the cockpits do! 🙂
But older sims had lots of fully functional freeware aircraft you could download (I made many myself) where for the sim it's so hard to make them up to quality that most people want to be compensated for their efforts, same with scenery.

And the airliners were much harder to get used to (i still don't know what I'm doing in the airbus.)

 

All that being said.  I haven't touched FSX in ages, uninstalled P3D 3 and 4 before installing MSFS.  I've learned how to use the airliners, although they no longer do VOR navigation and such, and fly them most of all.  I do wish the autothrottle on the 787 was more dependable.  I have imported some of my favourite scenery areas so I can continue to enjoy them, and have already circled the world a good few times.

I'm looking forward to the future, and I hope they will bring us tons of new features as time goes on.

I'm currently trying to get a build together, gaming laptop or even an XBOX Series X for summer but due to the IC shortage (auto assembly plants are shutting down) getting an RTX 3070 at MSRP is currently impossible so I'm stuck in flight simulation limbo.  I figure a few months yet.

Just say'n that if you have a machine that can run FS2020 consider yourself lucky.

Cheers

bs

i think expectations have been set too high so early on as it's only been a few months since release.  Visually speaking,  straight out of the box this game is far superior to anything we've had before.

1 hour ago, bean_sprout said:

I'm currently trying to get a build together, gaming laptop or even an XBOX Series X for summer but due to the IC shortage (auto assembly plants are shutting down) getting an RTX 3070 at MSRP is currently impossible so I'm stuck in flight simulation limbo.  I figure a few months yet.

Just say'n that if you have a machine that can run FS2020 consider yourself lucky.

Cheers

bs

In December I picked up a Zotac twin OC 3070 here on special for $600 US before tax which is maybe 5 to 10% over MSRP.  Considering we generally pay up to 20% over US prices for tech, I was pleased with that as the 2 slot Zotac is probably the only current 3070 that fits my ITX case.  There was an Asus blower 3090 that would fit, but I do not want to spend that much.

Though, to be honest at this point you are potentially better off saving a hundred more dollars or whatever it takes and getting the 16GB version of the 3070 when it eventually comes out in 3 or 4 months.

Edited January 18, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

On 1/16/2021 at 7:08 PM, PIC007 said:

there are too many things I loved about FSX that are missing from 2020. I keep hoping we would see them return on these updates, but so far, they are not even on the 'to do' list.

Like what, exactly? And if what you want isn’t on the list (and others would want it), why haven’t you started a thread or asked in a Q&A? Nearly every idea that’s been thrown out there in the Wishlist is on the timeline and is on their radar.