Coming from most everything back to Pro Logic, I have to say that despite MSFS's glitches, it has been one of the most satisfying flight simulators I have ever used.  Knowing that Asbro and others are working with a promised (and, for the most part - fulfilled) update schedule, has me attracted, both as a procedural simmer and an admirer of the beautiful presentation of real world scenery, to this masterpiece.  I have enjoyed X-Plane for several years after loosing interest in FSX and being suckered into MS Flight (which dumped all my stuff when it shut down and efforts to recover it were met with "time's up"  responses - which still have me a little nervous about online downloaded material).  I now find X-Plane lacking (only in earth graphics but find Vulkan to be great) and feel like I am abandoning a good friend, but there is a draw to MSFS that quickly overcomes this loyalty.  Everyone has his/her own reasons for liking or disliking something, but I am a mature flightsimmer who can overlook some of the comments made by those who are younger and used to a "give it to me now" outlook on life in general.

Edited January 17, 20215 yr by Old_As_Dirt

2 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

Have you even tried the WT CJ4 or the FBW A32NX? Or maybe the B36? Or the C152? With these mods that span almost all the default aircraft and the plethora of fantastic add-ons that don’t cost you one cent, FSX, even with a ton of add-on’s is not even a shadow of MSFS 2020. You may as well be comparing FS98 because that’s how relevant the comparison is.

I was a customer of PMDG’s NGX and many other fine add-on’s in FSX and P3D. The A32NX is just about on that level right now (and in fact already surpasses it in some respects) and I strongly suspect will surpass it very soon in all other aspects too. For FREE!

FSX and P3D were uninstalled from my PC the day before I bought MSFS. Below is a list of all the things I miss about those two sims:

 

 

 

Have a lovely day further everyone! 😉

You're misquoting me, I said no such thing.

Here's what I said:

 

Edited January 17, 20215 yr by Ricardo41

35 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

You're misquoting me, I said no such thing.

Sorry Ricardo... I tried to quote Janov’s quote who you had also quoted and it selected you. 😉

10 hours ago, Chock said:

We're traditionally always disappointed with the shiny new sim in its first few months of release. FSX took a very long time to get good, and didn't really mature as a base sim until Dovetail tarted it up in 2014, which was eight years after it first came out. It was ten years before the FSL A320 came out for FSX and it was five years after the release of FSX that the iFly 737 NG came out for it and a month or two after that when PMDG managed to get their NG out for it.

P3D was hardly worth bothering with at all until three versions in if you already had FSX unless you added a bunch of DX10 payware add-ons for cloud shadows etc, and XPlane was basically awful for high quality realistic and complex add-ons until MS announced they'd stop making flight sim in 2009, whereupon developers started looking at it as the possible lifeline for add-on sim stuff before P3D really took off, and that was with version ten of XPlane. Not forgetting Aerofly FS2, which even now still lacks a lot of basic functions.

 

People have short memories Chock, I think they're looking at FSX,P3D and Xplane through rose tinted glasses if they think that everything was working out of the box for the older sims. 

One of the less talked about aspects of adopting a new sim such as MSFS, is something I think most of us are familiar with, and that is the initial cost of getting into a new sim.

When I switched from FSX to P3D, it very quickly started getting quite expensive, I had to buy the iFly NG again and Active Sky again and the PMDG DC-6 again and the Aerosoft A320 series (twice lol), and the Black Box A320, A321, A330 and A340 and the PMDG 737 and so on, then you needed to tart up the scenery and that is pretty pricey as well, then buy all those airport sceneries again etc, etc. I've actually bought the FSL A320 several times because of this, and at 139 quid a pop, that quickly loses its amusement factor in spite of the thing being great. Similarly, when I was using XPlane 10 and 11 for stuff, it was an add-on for ATC then one for flight planning, then a few nice airliners such as an A350 and a DC-3, and a CRJ and so on.

In a remarkable change to this depressing shopping spree you have to indulge in when adopting a new sim, MSFS has not cost me very much at all to get into by comparison. Sure I've bought a few add-on aeroplanes and a couple of airport sceneries, but that was because I wanted to, not because I needed to. I've bought no weather add-on, no ATC add-on, no flight planner add-on. I already had MCE which works with a few sims anyway, so that didn't cost me any more, oh and I bought Pushback Express from FS2 Crew (in a discount sale) and Air Hauler for MSFS (which was also discounted because I had previous versions). So that's really not a lot of stuff I've had to buy to start having a lot of fun with it.

Now I'll grant you that some of this welcome money-saving is because there isn't actually a ton of stuff available to buy for MSFS even if you wanted to, but regardless of this, it has meant that financially it's been a very gentle curve to get into MSFS on the ground floor so to speak, and as stuff comes out for it, that will be a similarly gentle financial slope, and in a year where I've lost three jobs - yeah 2020 was fun - that reduced cost for what is an expensive hobby, was pretty welcome I can tell you.

Edited January 17, 20215 yr by Chock

You know I remember when I bought FSX and out of the box it was excellent, ran with no issues on my multi-years old computer and had an amazing collection of addons.

Oh wait...

Let's see.  New version rolls out in August and people are still trying to compare it to a version that was released over 15 years ago).  

If you're disappointed with MSFS, go back to FSX/P3D/XP.  Me, I'll keep on keeping on with MSFS and loving the scenery, weather, the TBM and Mooney and the ability to run it at nearly full on ultra detail.

I'll now get back to my flight.  Currently @ FL300 crossing the Mississippi into Arkansas.

How it started:

https://youtu.be/5wfv9gP4ybg

How is it going:

https://youtu.be/Sl7a4fKerY4

 

Let's be grateful for what we have now instead of reaching to the stars 

8 hours ago, FPStewy said:

There's one question you need to ask, if you didn't look out the window which sim would you choose.

Easy answer: DCS.

7 hours ago, langly said:

The fact that the SDK wasn't ready by launch is an absolute joke

What does that even mean? Why would anyone expect a fully functioning SDK at launch? 

8 hours ago, FPStewy said:

Why oh Why did they choose NavBlu over Navigraph is a head-scratcher I won't understand anytime soon.

You can use navigraph in MSFS too.

5 hours ago, Nyxx said:

Fly a simulation were you can see the world as it is or fly a sim were not looking out the window is best?

With 1000’ on hours in the FSL let alone PMDG, I will take the world in the detail that was and is a dream in any other sim thank you.

I was thinking of this last night.  I did a flight in the TBM from Gibraltar, headed south to Morocco, then flew along the mountainous coast line until landing at an airport I had never heard of before.  The scenery was amazing.  

It occurred to me that in P3D I had flown to the African continent exactly zero times.  Why?  Terrible default scenery that would not do it justice and since it’s an area I rarely fly to I wasn’t going to spend big dollars on upgrading the landscape, if there were options even available.

Experiences like this are an example of how MSFS has changed how I sim and I’ve never been happier.  Of course I do look forward to seeing more detailed airliners but in the meantime I’m happy doing a lot of GA flying and using the excellent WT CJ4 and FBW A320N when I was to do some airliner/corporate IFR flying.

I do wonder if COVID has had an impact on my shift in flying as well.  When flying airliners I always pick a real world flight to duplicate.  With the airline industry in shambles there are far fewer flights to choose from and I wonder if this has also contributed to my shift in flying priorities.

As an aside, thanks to those in this post that are trimming their quoted text to the minimum required.  It’s annoying to scroll through a thread with a massive quoted post and then two lines of added content at the end.

8 hours ago, FPStewy said:

Here's what's working against MSFS

• No PMDG
• No A2A
• No MilViz
• No FSLabs
• No Majestic
• No Leonardo
• No Quality Wings
• No TFDi
• No GTN's
• Some data is still missing
• Simbrief, AIRac data, Flight Planning are let's face it, problematic at the moment.

Those are some very serious considerations in making the decision to go back, yes I admit MSFS is very very nice, but after 7 months there's only one twin piston of "questionable" quality and they refuse to allow access to 3rd parties to make a GTN. Why oh Why did they choose NavBlu over Navigraph is a head-scratcher I won't understand anytime soon.

The sim if VERY nice don't get me wrong but you have to accept some very serious clawbacks and I totally don't blame simmers going back.

 

There's one question you need to ask, if you didn't look out the window which sim would you choose.

Do you understand that most of developers from the list already announce their product for MSFS. That is A2A, PMDG, Navigraph, MilVIz, Leanordo and so on. It's just matter of time when. I don't remember flying PMDG 7 month after FSX was released. We need to compare apples with apples here.

But in anyway to satisfy anyones need there beta Navigraph right now available. There are also FBW A320 and WT CJ4 and that is a great start. FSX didn't have anything like that

1 hour ago, RaptyrOne said:

Sorry Ricardo... I tried to quote Janov’s quote who you had also quoted and it selected you. 😉

eh, no worries. 

It's almost like us early adopters are being punished by the previous sim version fans.  How dumb is that haha?

"Don't leave us!" Haha

12 hours ago, PIC007 said:

Anyone else a bit disappointed in the current state of affairs or am I alone on this?

No

12 hours ago, PIC007 said:

Anyone else a bit disappointed in the current state of affairs or am I alone on this?

In short: not disappointed, it's part of the process of a new sim. Enjoying it every day!.

Cheers, Ed