2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I wouldn't care if P3D had a $500 aircraft that was the best flying plane ever , going back to P3D, is something I wouldn't consider for a second. 

Same, when msfs first came out, I tried it for a couple weeks and didn’t really get the enjoyment I was hoping for in the release version(bugs etc) so I put it on the the shelf until about 2 weeks ago to let it mature. While I wasn’t getting the enjoyment from msfs because I didn’t feel it was ready, at the same time it ruined p3d for me in knowing what visuals await once msfs matured, so I parked my computer and took a break from simming completely for about 9 months, coming from a continuous simmer since flight sim 95. But as jbdbow1970 mentioned, there will still be simmers who will stick by p3d for a while yet, which is not a bad thing either…I just can’t get immersed anymore looking at “made up autogen city layouts” when I could literally pin point every street in my area within the simulator, while enjoying the simulated flying experience…Even the weather(clouds, rain, sunset, sunrise etc), can’t be matched between sims IMO.

Having said all that, I don’t regret my time, or money spent in p3d and previous versions of flight sims, which is thousands and thousands of dollars, but for me personally, its run its course….Just hope MS is in it for the long haul.

But that DC-6…I don’t own it, but from what I see…WOW!!!

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Typos, hard to type from an IPhone sometimes

It is a magnificent plane and it does really come alive in MSFS2020. I think the implementation of the AFE is brilliant and if they do this on their 737 that it will encourage a lot of people to purchase and help them to fly a modern jet. Back in P3D we purchased something like FS2Crew, but the AFE is different in that it actually sets up the plane, in different configurations. It has been great for me. I had the initial satisfaction of learning to taxi, take off and land while now starting to learn the systems and flows. Something like this would help a lot of people transition from simpler planes. 

And, yea, I started with P3D at version 2 and got a lot of enjoyment from that platform over 7 years. But, barring some transformational change, I could not go back to that platform, even if MSFS was discontinued.

I'm enjoying MSFS 2020 for GA flights from small regional airports but will be continuing with P3D for the heavy iron until such time as it has AI aircraft with correct liveries and models and some type of equivalent to GSX.  Even the addition of PMDG won't change that. For me this is these are the big things that are keeping me with P3D -  major airports in MSFS just don't have the same atmosphere as in P3D.

Bruceb

11 minutes ago, brucewtb said:

I'm enjoying MSFS 2020 for GA flights from small regional airports but will be continuing with P3D for the heavy iron until such time as it has AI aircraft with correct liveries and models and some type of equivalent to GSX.  Even the addition of PMDG won't change that. For me this is these are the big things that are keeping me with P3D -  major airports in MSFS just don't have the same atmosphere as in P3D.

Yea, I had been flying GA almost exclusively in MSFS since it came out but with the DC6 I immediately missed GSX. I understand FSDreamTeam is working on bringing this functionality to MSFS and it will be an immediate purchase for me. I am also sure it will look great. The liveries and AI traffic I notice less, or I can ignore those more easily, but I agree that there is something sterile about most of the major hubs.

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5 hours ago, brucewtb said:

I'm enjoying MSFS 2020 for GA flights from small regional airports but will be continuing with P3D for the heavy iron until such time as it has AI aircraft with correct liveries and models and some type of equivalent to GSX.  Even the addition of PMDG won't change that. For me this is these are the big things that are keeping me with P3D -  major airports in MSFS just don't have the same atmosphere as in P3D.

I'm the same. MSFS for VR, but P3D for tubeliners with serious and reliable avionics that don't let me down on VATSIM, not to mention GSX and realistic AI at airports. I'll be more than happy to move fully to MSFS when the latter complement its superb terrain and atmosphere. 

 

12 hours ago, Richard Sennett said:

Not my cup of tea but it looks stunning that said Their Boeing products are going to be AMAZING cant wait 🙂 

same here, not my cup of tea.  I am positive this one will be gathering dust in hangers of many folks that bought it.

13 hours ago, Richard Sennett said:

Not my cup of tea but it looks stunning that said Their Boeing products are going to be AMAZING cant wait 🙂 

Well it's a lot more than the look, unlike modern airliners, weather can have a massive impact on your flight. It's fun and scary at the same time

Absolute dream to fly, and my go to aircraft in MSFS. Now starting to try to cut back on AFE, and learn more of the systems and manual operation... Never thought i would be doing that with an aircraft from the 40's.

49 minutes ago, Tierborn said:

same here, not my cup of tea.  I am positive this one will be gathering dust in hangers of many folks that bought it.

It won't gather dust in my hanger. Absolute fantastic bird, very immersive!

54 minutes ago, Tierborn said:

same here, not my cup of tea.  I am positive this one will be gathering dust in hangers of many folks that bought it.

Nah, it's useful in Air Hauler, so it won't be in my hangar gathering dust.

I find learning the nuances of those big radials much more fun than programming an FMC. 

Im one who said I wasn’t interested in starting over reinvesting in a new sim but curiosity compelled me a few weeks ago. I learned MSFS is a great value simply because you don’t need so much of the extra Addons the other sims need to look half way real. I’m talking about things like shader mods, textures, and global and landclass scenery. Even the default airports look good. I rally don’t see the need for anything much other then realistic planes and those are coming soon. All this for the price of entry which is far less than half the price of a professional license from LM.

So if like me you’re someone  on a fixed income who gives every dollar a name (per Dave Ramsey) MSFS is the best value the sim hobby has ever seen and you’ll find the DC6 hard to put down and very well priced for a PMDG production.

7 hours ago, brucewtb said:

I'm enjoying MSFS 2020 for GA flights from small regional airports but will be continuing with P3D for the heavy iron until such time as it has AI aircraft with correct liveries and models and some type of equivalent to GSX.  Even the addition of PMDG won't change that. For me this is these are the big things that are keeping me with P3D -  major airports in MSFS just don't have the same atmosphere as in P3D.

Bruceb

But P3D with it's wall paper scenery is so ugly now compared to MSFS2020. I spent 2 weeks flying  P3D again while my PC was being repaired, and it was horrible, and I had flown P3D for many years. 

14 minutes ago, PATCO LCH said:

I find learning the nuances of those big radials much more fun than programming an FMC. 

Im one who said I wasn’t interested in starting over reinvesting in a new sim but curiosity compelled me a few weeks ago. I learned MSFS is a great value simply because you don’t need so much of the extra Addons the other sims need to look half way real. I’m talking about things like shader mods, textures, and global and landclass scenery. Even the default airports look good. I rally don’t see the need for anything much other then realistic planes and those are coming soon. All this for the price of entry which is far less than half the price of a professional license from LM.

So if like me you’re someone  on a fixed income who gives every dollar a name (per Dave Ramsey) MSFS is the best value the sim hobby has ever seen and you’ll find the DC6 hard to put down and very well priced for a PMDG production.

And unlike an aircraft with an FMC, where after you program it and take off while the aircraft flies itself, you actually have to pay attention and fly the DC6. No boredom involved. 

1 hour ago, Tierborn said:

same here, not my cup of tea.  I am positive this one will be gathering dust in hangers of many folks that bought it.

Never happen, the aircraft that will be gathering dust are the other aircraft in my hangar now. 

In P3D I looked and turned down this aircraft countless times. I was into FSL A320/GSX and PMDG. There are all in the hanger.

This aircraft I find very easy to get into, mastering landing with not using throttle down the glide slope but using flaps 30-40 to control and keep VAPR and the take over when AP comes off at 1000ft then hiting VAPR speed over the numbers and very rewarding.

Deep diving into the aircraft makes the likes of an NG or an Airbus seem very simple. So this aircraft is as hard as can be or you can do just the job of the Captain. Wonderful.

Very presumptuous of someone that does not even own it to say it will be in "many" peoples hanger.