1 minute ago, fakeflyer737 said:

Man i wish people could downvote posts like this so that they would disappear and people wouldn't have to see it, like on Reditt. 

Out of all the aggression towards Asobo and all the frustration shown here, this is the one post that makes total sense. Good idea Ron.

Is Avsim listening???

Hmm, this practice of not allowing a true max is not really common at all, not sure what games you are referring to.

For instance, RDR 2 would kill peoples machines after release then they patched it, but they didn't really mod the sliders much they just optimized the game itself (without reducing graphics quality). Cannot think of too many games that take the approach you are speaking of.

More common than not is that hardware has become so "beefy" that people just expect their hardware to run at 60+ FPS on max at any game, and that is true to an extent, but it's not always the reality. I don't know of any AAA games that intentionally made it impossible to max the settings out to prevent the whinos from having their cake, maybe a few, but cannot think of any off the top of my head.

I can still make XPLANE come to a crawl with certain settings, they removed some sliders because of Vulkan changes, and others because there were just too many. I never heard they removed them because some people were setting things too high, that's a new one to me.

Edited July 29, 20214 yr by Alpine Scenery

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You just made it appear again by quoting it.. LOL

Fixed

18 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Once again, your reply indicates lack of any comprehension of the reply. This seems to be a theme with you. He is talking about development of scenery and the conversion of existing airports in MSFS for this update and future development. Seriously, you need to actually read and not guess.

This thread is about performance not scenery or sdk. Start another thread about that and stay on topic

The 737 will be fine. Glass cockpit are working 100% better in Su5. It's the steam gauges that got the shaft .

3 minutes ago, fakeflyer737 said:

Fixed

Ah,, you are a smart fella...You must get up before breakfast 🙄

Edited July 29, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

The 737 will be fine. Glass cockpit are working 100% better in Su5. It's the steam gauges that got the shaft .

I see, yah but so much is broken in the SDK right now, I seriously cannot even keep track of it all yet, since this is just Day # whatever day this is.... See what I mean...

 

33 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

How about posting a photo of your panel at the same distance?

I can do that tomorrow. But, the custom camera views I use have not changed - they all use a specific zoom level. Definitely no difference at all from SU4. My overhead panel custom view is (I believe) slightly closer than what you posted.

33 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

but in the dev forums no one is EVEN questioning the disaster this update was.

Just curious; in your opinion and based on what you have seen in the developer's forums,  does your statement above apply to aircraft development to the same degree that it does to scenery development?

Thx,

Al

6 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I can do that tomorrow. But, the custom camera views I use have not changed - they all use a specific zoom level. Definitely no difference at all from SU4. My overhead panel custom view is (I believe) slightly closer than what you posted.

Can you explain to me why Robert from PMDG is aware of this texture problem in the DC6 cockpit is trying to get Asobo to tell him how to fix it, but you don't see it? 

Can't help wondering how much calmer things had been if Asobo have been proactive in taking about the changes they wanted to make to improve performance on the PC and the trade-offs involved.

Right time to put things on perspective here.

LODs culling haven't changed at all for the PC version, this is confirmed by ASOBO here: https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/questions/1417/small-objects-disappear-on-long-distance.html

I quote:

 

As you can appreciate LODs culling algorithms remain the same for the PC version, and they have been implemented more aggressive for XBOX... therefore it is important to see the intention here, ASOBO is not making both platforms to behave the same, they understand people on PCs want to see better graphics.

There are 2 things happening here, 1 is LODs enforcement which on PC remain the same as before the SU5 update. And textures being cut our of the scene when you are not looking (what people call pop in / out), which it seems it has been implemented for both versions PC / Xbox. I asked Asobo more information on that link to understand what changed.

On that basis, I think people are seeing degradation on their VCs due to other reasons, not LOD culling. So perhaps with few tweaks on their settings things will return to what they used to see before.

@Alpine Scenery I understand what you are saying, I totally get why and how much you are frustrated.. But I learned long time ago (the hard way) this is not the space to express development frustrations, technology limitations, or even development criticism for the base platform. Simply put most people will not be able to understand your point of view because as customers they are, they can only judge by the results they can see and they can measure right now.  Better to put your energy somewhere else, chill and come back re-charged later when you can provide solutions that you are happy with. If you need someone to talk about your frustrations and that would be able to understand you, send me a PM and I will be more than happy to listen to you, maybe even able to help you with some of your issues.

All the best as usual,

Simbol
 

They may not have changed LOD culling specifically, or their definition of LOD culling, but they did change the renderer. Above post not fully accurate, it is a response to a specific issue and is using wordplay.

They also didn't "change the broken terrain files" in that update, that's not the first time I've seen wordology used. 

As far as not the right place to voice concerns, who made you moderator?

I think as many people voice concerns, I can too, thank you for your offer, but I will wait until the next patch, not a sadomasochist.

 

Edited July 29, 20214 yr by Alpine Scenery

1 minute ago, Alpine Scenery said:

They may not have changed LOD culling specifically, or their definition of LOD culling, but they did change the renderer. Above post not fully accurate, it is a response to a specific issue.

As far as not the right place to voice concerns, who made you moderator?

I think as many people voice concerns, I can too, thank you.

 

Is just a piece of advice, you are more than welcome to continue. no need to be so f** rude dude..

Have a good day.

S.

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Can you explain to me why Robert from PMDG is aware of this texture problem in the DC6 cockpit is trying to get Asobo to tell him how to fix it, but you don't see it? 

Maybe, just maybe, some bugs do not affect everybody? Why would we be lying about that? I am sorry that my DC-6 still looks perfect, if it calms you down, my FBW A32NX doesn't load consistently, so there is that.