I'm ready most of all for the Leonardo MD-80.  But also the PMDG 737/747.  I think the Fenix looks amazing and I know I"ll buy it.  But the last year I've become bored with flying the A320 series.  Either way.  Yes my wallet is ready.  I haven't been a big fan of MSFS going all the way back to the alpha.  Then after SU5, I flew it a little more.  Still some limitations with it, but I'm enjoying much more now. 

Since I am more of a Gamer/Simmer than a Simmer/Gamer,  the 320  is not worth it for me.  I still use the delivered A320 and not the FBW one  ( I can hear the horrified intake of breaths around the world from here)

I have the DC6 from PMDG and love it, but I use the flight engineer exclusively.   Now if the 737 has a co-pilot/Flight Engineer that looks after most of the stuff then yeah..  if it's a typical PMDG where you have to do everything from scratch.. it wont be worth it for me.

Likewise, if it's like the Aerosoft CRJ and doesn't use the In-Game Flight Planner, then it will be a no, no matter what..  for me it's just not worth it.

For those that like to simulate an accurate aircraft, I hope it's everything you want 🙂

Graham

I used the day for flying. The new hotfix is rock stable on my machine. Did a free flight, some challenges and everything was running perfect. 
 

So - PMDG - if you read this: bring it on! I need the 737 and the 777. Now. 

38 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

I fully agree with this also.  I additionally believe that around that time the streaming data will be greatly improved - the catch?  it will be monthly subscription.

Uhhh....already is subscription based on the Xbox and PC if someone so chooses. Called game pass and has 18M subscribers and growing as of Q2 '21

18 minutes ago, micstatic said:

I'm ready most of all for the Leonardo MD-80.  But also the PMDG 737/747.  I think the Fenix looks amazing and I know I"ll buy it.  But the last year I've become bored with flying the A320 series.  Either way.  Yes my wallet is ready.  I haven't been a big fan of MSFS going all the way back to the alpha.  Then after SU5, I flew it a little more.  Still some limitations with it, but I'm enjoying much more now. 

Quality Wings announced they were targeting Q2 for the release of the 787 for MSFS.  Seems like they missed the Q2 deadline.  But I suspect we will hear some big news on the QW 787 over the next few months.

PMDG 777 for MSFS was targeted by the end of this year.  But seeing the 737 was pushed back a little, I guess the 777 will be pushed back a little too. But no worries, I think the 777, even if it's pushed back, is likely going to come out in Q1 of 2022.

Just now, abrams_tank said:

Quality Wings announced they were targeting Q2 for the release of the 787 for MSFS.  Seems like they missed the Q2 deadline.  But I suspect we will hear some big news on the QW 787 over the next few months.

PMDG 777 for MSFS was targeted by the end of this year.  But seeing the 737 was pushed back a little, I guess the 777 will be pushed back a little too. But no worries, I think the 777, even if it's pushed back, is likely going to come out in Q1 of 2022.

do we know if anybody is working on the 757 or 767?  

I would love the PMDG 737, but having bought 737s from them in FS9, then FSX (fair enough completely different product), then in P3D (basically the same product), then in P3D again (improved product), I just don't fancy buying any more 737s from PMDG!  I am more interested in their 777 (which I've only bought once from them; in FSX!). 😄

PMDG all the way, 737 especially. I'll continue FBW320, don't need Fenix.

United001

5 minutes ago, micstatic said:

do we know if anybody is working on the 757 or 767?  

I don't recall reading anything publicly about the 757 or 767 by a major reputable 3rd party dev.  But it's possible somebody is working on it but just keeping quiet on it, just like Fenix was working on the A320 and was quiet on it until they made the announcement one month ago.

26 minutes ago, JYW said:

I would love the PMDG 737, but having bought 737s from them in FS9, then FSX (fair enough completely different product), then in P3D (basically the same product), then in P3D again (improved product), I just don't fancy buying any more 737s from PMDG!  I am more interested in their 777 (which I've only bought once from them; in FSX!). 😄

I hear ya! It seems PMDG always has their hands in your pockets somehow. 

OTOH, an iFly 737 for MSFS 2020, I'd buy on day one!

Edited August 7, 20214 yr by Ricardo41

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

The difference is, while the Fenix A320 could be the most high fidelity airliner ever created for any sim, the Fenix A320 is still competing against the FBW A320 which is free.  You will have the ultra "hard core A320 simmers" who will buy the Fenix A320 at any price.  These simmers want the most detailed A320 available and will happily pay over $100 USD if that's what they need to pay, to get the Fenix A320.

Then you have simmers who are not so hard core into the A320, and are sitting on the fence between the Fenix A320 and the FBW A320.  This group wouldn't mind a more high fidelity A320, but they're not going to pay $100 to get it. If Fenix prices too high, this group of simmers will refuse to buy the Fenix A320 and will stick with the FBW A320.

PMDG doesn't have a freeware decent 737 competing against it in MSFS. That's a huge advantage for PMDG and they know it.  So even the "not so hard core 737 simmers" may be persuaded to pay for a higher priced 737, because there isn't a FBW equivalent of the 737 in MSFS.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, there are a couple of caveats to bear in mind: The freebie FBW A320 is a NEO variant, whereas the Fenix one is a classic older-variant A320. There are avionics differences, different engines and quite different performance figures on these things, so on the face of it whilst this would appear to be the same aeroplane, it really isn't, the difference is perhaps more akin to something like a 737-400 and a 737-800NG alongside one another.

And whilst it is true that there is no freebie 737 out there, there is a dirt cheap one in the form of the Bredok3D 737 MAX. Now again, like the Fenix and the FBW, this isn't the same variant of aeroplane, and even before seeing the PMDG one, we can hardly expect the Bredok3D 737 to compare to the PMDG one in terms of realism, but for many people who don't care too much about the minute details, they would perhaps see only two 737s, with one being considerably cheaper and simpler to operate, the other being more expensive and harder to learn how to fly, so for quite a few flight simmers, the obvious choice would not the PMDG one. Thus it's not the no-brainer some might think it would appear to be either in choice, or in how PMDG choose to price their 737.

We only have to look at the PMDG DC-6 and the fact that more than a few people are put off by the belief that they will have to spend ages learning how to operate it and micro-manage the engines and related systems to get any joy out of it. They are of course incorrect in thinking that because it has an incredibly well-thought-out and gentle learning curve which amounts to being a progressive set of 'training wheels' which one can gradually remove thanks to its A.I. flight engineer and its selectable 'states'. But regardless of this being the case, the perception from more than a few people is that it's 'too hard to learn', and we might see a similar thing with that PMDG 737 compared to the vastly simpler and cheaper Bredok3D one taking some sales away if the price of entry is vastly more for the PMDG offering, which is a bit ironic when in fact the 737 is what I and I'm sure many others would consider the ideal airliner to learn on, and not really that hard to get to grips with at all, certainly a lot simpler than an A320 or a CRJ.

I guess time will tell, but you never know what else is in the pipeline; recall if you will some years back, that PMDG were cheerfully progressing toward getting their 737 NG into FSX with much anticipation from all, when suddenly out of nowhere, there was the iFly 737NG racing it towards release and in fact beating it to the draw by about three or four weeks if memory serves, and it was cheaper, offered more variants. I don't know of any other 737s in development for MSFS, but then again, it was only a few weeks ago that we didn't know about that Fenix A320, so we can't rule it out completely as a possibility. 😈

Edited August 7, 20214 yr by Chock

I’m not investing anything in this sim, especially airliners, until IFR flights are properly simulated with ATC that doesn’t try to fly you into a mountain, and assigns an approach on arrival that doesn’t have your autopilot doing a u-turn to some imaginary way point. 

1 minute ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I’m not investing anything in this sim, especially airliners, until IFR flights are properly simulated with ATC that doesn’t try to fly you into a mountain, and assigns an approach on arrival that doesn’t have your autopilot doing a u-turn to some imaginary way point. 

You mean like FSX, XPlane and P3D do as well?

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that one to become a built-in feature.

For everyone saying the FBW does not compare with the Fenix in terms of depth and systems, the key word is: for now. The plans and upcoming features are absolutely equivalent to what the Fenix will provide, with fully custom FBW and autopilot, fully custom visual model inside and out, and the sounds are already amazing and better than the FSL ones which were the benchmark for P3d!

So as long as you can wait and put up with the slow and gradual development the FBW will not be a compromise compared to the Fenix. It will just take longer to reach the same level but it will be free. 

1 minute ago, Chock said:

You mean like FSX, XPlane and P3D do as well?

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that one to become a built-in feature.

I just don’t see the point in having an immersive study-level airliner with a laughable frustrating ATC and flight plan solution.