Personally, I'd be totally fine with them releasing the 73 with "features pending." BUT, I can see how this could set a dangerous precedent. I think in order to keep their reputation, they'll (sadly) have to wait until what they get what they need from Asobo. Hopefully the Fenix comes out soon so we don't have to keep waiting for a worthwhile airliner to make it into the sim. Sure, there's the CRJ, but....yeah.

People continue to post in a pointless thread, then complain about people posting in a pointless thread that they previously said was pointless. 😀

9 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I wonder how many of the PMDG haters will buy the 737 when it is released. ? 🙄

No one is hating on PMDG and for me I still use it from time to time in FSX. No need for drama there is more people on this forum throwing more shade at Asobo and MS at this point shall we call them "haters"?

My prediction is the NG3 (yes I will purchase it) will sell better than any other airliner (well maybe Fenix A320) on any desktop platform in history whether people want to believe or not. and that is on a "so called gaming for gamers platform by the snobby novelist."

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by jbdbow1970

For me,

 

Pmdg gave me very bad impression since the 777 out.

 

Yes, the MFS product is delay, how about the update of the 777. The new vc, bug repair etc. P3d is dead in your PMDG world? 

 

The navi data is the promise how long ago? Even from now. the RNP like a piece of word not allowed.

 

The same price level I can experience the good GSX integration, RNP, ATSU, and etc. How thoughtful others are? Are you pmdg money suck?

 

I really hope the Maddog can make a 737, who can break the law of Boeing market in Flight Sim word. There is no competitor for them. So it gives me the impression what ever I made how bad it is, you still need to buy my product if you want to fly the Boeing.

 

I don't want to diss them, but their attitude for customer or existing product. They always give me this impression. I can said, if there is someone like Maddog can make a 737 or 747, their market will many of them from the old time they have.

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, jackieliao said:

For me,

 

 

What this rant against PMDG  has anything to do with MSFS ? It belongs to the P3D forum.

12 minutes ago, jackieliao said:

For me,

 

Pmdg gave me very bad impression since the 777 out.

 

Yes, the MFS product is delay, how about the update of the 777. The new vc, bug repair etc. P3d is dead in your PMDG world? 

 

The navi data is the promise how long ago? Even from now. the RNP like a piece of word not allowed.

 

The same price level I can experience the good GSX integration, RNP, ATSU, and etc. How thoughtful others are? Are you pmdg money suck?

 

I really hope the Maddog can make a 737, who can break the law of Boeing market in Flight Sim word. There is no competitor for them. So it gives me the impression what ever I made how bad it is, you still need to buy my product if you want to fly the Boeing.

 

I don't want to diss them, but their attitude for customer or existing product. They always give me this impression. I can said, if there is someone like Maddog can make a 737 or 747, their market will many of them from the old time they have.

 

 

 

 

Maddog is not the name of the developer, it's the name of the product. Leonardo is the name of the developer.
Apart from that PMDG made three different study level airliners with all the variants, no other developer (not Leonardo not FSLabs) has accomplished that. I agree that their customer orientation is lacking in regards to GSX-integration etc.. There has just arrived another 737 for P3D by IFly, but it's not at the same level as PMDG's. So I think you are vastly misjudging how difficult it is to make a Boeing study level airliner, let alone three of them.
There are good reasons to say that they are resting on their monopoly, but they at least deserved that. By the way I find it quite positive that - even though MSFS promises so many sales - they do not say "hell we'll release the 737, take all that sweet money and add all those uncomplete features later on". They stay true to their high standards even in the face of easy temptation. Can't say the same about CaptainSim or Milviz...

29 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

M. Can't say the same about CaptainSim or Milviz...

Putting CS and Milviz in the same bag seems a bit extreme to me. PMDG and Milviz have not the same  product lineup and cycle. Beside, the early announcement of MSFS mid-2019 appears to have devastated the addon market for two years and we don’t know how it has affected both companies bottom line.

I have two MV aircraft, the Corsair and the PC-6, I do not consider them as lacking features. I don’t like everything sthey offer but they do the job better than most I presume.

 

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

It is still absurd that Captain Sim manages to release two Boeings while PMDG is still not able to finish a single one! 😮 :x

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23 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Putting CS and Milviz in the same bag seems a bit extreme to me. PMDG and Milviz have not the same  product lineup and cycle. Beside, the early announcement of MSFS mid-2019 appears to have devastated the addon market for two years and we don’t know how it has affected both companies bottom line.

I have two MV aircraft, the Corsair and the PC-6, I do not consider them as lacking features. I don’t like everything sthey offer but they do the job better than most I presume.

 

I did not say they are equivalent, I just said both of them reduced their standards - not down to the same level, mind you. I still respect Milviz in general.
However, Milviz has turned to releasing their aircraft for MSFS as early access with features added later on. That's quite a reduction in standards. There is a problem with that: Devs usually do that to judge better how much more development time they will invest - if the aircraft sells good, they will do more, if it sells badly, they might not even complete it. This has happened hundreds of times with other devs. While this is good on the one hand because it means more devs will start developing aircraft (less financial risk with early access releases), on the other hand early access also mostly means in the end that stuff does not get finished as well as it could be. Be aware that I am talking about study level, not "good aircraft". On P3D Milviz' aircraft were usually study level on release.

Tldr: MSFS makes more devs do early access, which in the end means that there will be less study level aircraft for MSFS - and I only fancy study level aircraft (please let's not start a discussion about the term "study level" 🙂 )
 

Edited December 10, 20214 yr by Fiorentoni

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

 
However, Milviz has turned to releasing their aircraft for MSFS as early access with features added later on.  
 

The stage 1 of the PC-6 is complete as is. This is something I wanted to be sure because I also think that Stage 2 is contingent to the sales of Stage 1.  The second stage will not bring new features but new variants : floats and steam gauges. On a side note, the glass cockpit with the NXi has grown on me and I don't specially look forward to the steam gauges anymore 😉

The PC6 and the Corsair have known two updates from user feedback which have brought some value to the products. 

I didn't see their books, but it seems likely to me that the addon cottage industry is not as much in hurry to capt the big bucks of the MSFS market than to survive a two-year cash drought . 

I’ve yet to discover better addons than the PMDG ones. So, yeah. Nice thread. 
 

Did Fenix deliver yet? No? Case closed. 

1 hour ago, Drakkenblade said:

It is still absurd that Captain Sim manages to release two Boeings while PMDG is still not able to finish a single one! 😮 :x

 

Congratulations, that might be the dumbest thing I've seen on the forum this year.

 

Captain Sim could knock out another 10 Boeings it's not like they have any concern with accuracy - all they produce is a bad wrapper that goes around default aircraft.

 

G

1 hour ago, Drakkenblade said:

It is still absurd that Captain Sim manages to release two Boeings while PMDG is still not able to finish a single one! 😮 :x

Ha ha, you're funny.

14 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

 

Congratulations, that might be the dumbest thing I've seen on the forum this year.

 

Captain Sim could knock out another 10 Boeings it's not like they have any concern with accuracy - all they produce is a bad wrapper that goes around default aircraft.

 

G

He has 5 posts here.   Obviously he has no clue (or is seriously joking) about the comparison he made.  This is, as I've been saying for forever, is one of the biggest problems with CS spamming the new MSFS market with....uhhhh...2 "Boeings".   New simmers who don't know any better, hilariously, and sadly think that anything CS puts out to MSFS is comparable to any other dev, except maybe the one who already has a 737 on the market. 🙄

Oh....and they will knock out more "Boeings" as fast as they can, that is their new business model....I'm still waiting to see what cockpit they'll link to their 707, 727 and L1011?   We should actually have a poll...would be a blast to see who guesses right.  I'd say the Steam gauge Cessna 172 at 1st.  Then after they realize it only comes with certain versions of MSFS (not that they'll research that beforehand), and after tons of new customers scoop it up and hit their forums to complain they can't fly their new, $29.99 plane, will they possibly do anything about it...then scramble to find another cockpit to link it to. 🤣

The visuals of the "wrapper" have always been very pretty....and why they are able to lure so many unsuspecting simmers, esp. new ones, to their commerce site.  Under that façade though, you have a default 747, regardless of what the exterior looks like.  Some people are fine with that...some are not.  Those who are...have fun and enjoy your purchase.

2 hours ago, Drakkenblade said:

It is still absurd that Captain Sim manages to release two Boeings while PMDG is still not able to finish a single one! 😮 :x

I thought both the CS Boeings were just external models, and merges with the default panels and systems?