3 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

FBW A32NX £0

Xplane Zibo Mod 737 and LevelUp no comparison. price ZERO

Edited February 9, 20224 yr by Adrian123

5 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

FBW A32NX £0

I rest my case. FSL may have their work cutout to convince all but the very dedicated their model is worth it.

4 hours ago, PilotPete99 said:

In my opinion, the answer would be "No" because none of the many aircraft I fly in P3d (other than the CRJ) are available for MSFS. Desktop sightseeing becomes boring to me after a short amount of time, and in many ways is irrelevant since I am mainly a tubeliner guy.

Cheers, Pete

I've been reading tons of discussions, forums etc. trying to decide whether to pull the trigger on MSFS or not. My conclusion is that "desktop sightseeing" is really the priority of the developers and not the technical nerdiness a lot of us P3D users are looking for. It also doesn't seem that the MSFS developers cared much about us uber-nerds when developing their SDK. The evidence to support this is that scenery developers seem to be having a hella easy time cranking out visuals, airports etc. But there seems to be an uphill battle for the third party, "study level" aircraft, advanced ATC, AI and weather developers to make their software work in the MSFS ecosystem. This would appear to mean that it is geared towards the casual, ease of use crowd, not the hardcore systems guys trying to be as technically accurate and immersive as possible.

I think the folks abandoning the P3D ship, both users and devs, are going to rethink it when the novelty of flying over one's house wears off and the gamers go back to War Thunder or whatever. The short attention spans most folks have today will spell doom and soon the honeymoon will be over for MSFS. Not that people won't still use it but the core crowd that has kept flight simming alive will get jaded. I think they developed MSFS to make everyone happy and in the end, it will make no one happy. These are just my opinions of course.

Maybe one day when I'm bored, I'll slap a new SSD in my rig and go buzz my house a few times or perhaps use MSFS for VFR bush flights. But until then, I'm clinging to my P3D like grim death. Hell, I still have FS2004 so I can fly the MD-11 and Level D 767! I'm actually super happy with my V5.3. For systems depth, immersion and flying my cartoon airliner, it checks all the boxes adequately and runs pretty good on my rig. I think anyone that has time and money invested in P3D would be well advised to hang on to it and bonus; grab cheap "going out of business add ons! 

I'm not trying to hate on MSFS, I genuinely hope that by some miracle it can live up to the expectations of the true flight sim nerds like myself. Right now, everyone is enamored with the visuals but from what I see, the road to deep simming is not one that Microsoft had paved in MSFS2020. Like someone earlier pointed out, maybe in 2024 or so.

33 minutes ago, sivart2000 said:

I've been reading tons of discussions, forums etc. trying to decide whether to pull the trigger on MSFS or not. My conclusion is that "desktop sightseeing" is really the priority of the developers and not the technical nerdiness a lot of us P3D users are looking for. It also doesn't seem that the MSFS developers cared much about us uber-nerds when developing their SDK. The evidence to support this is that scenery developers seem to be having a hella easy time cranking out visuals, airports etc. But there seems to be an uphill battle for the third party, "study level" aircraft, advanced ATC, AI and weather developers to make their software work in the MSFS ecosystem. This would appear to mean that it is geared towards the casual, ease of use crowd, not the hardcore systems guys trying to be as technically accurate and immersive as possible.

I think the folks abandoning the P3D ship, both users and devs, are going to rethink it when the novelty of flying over one's house wears off and the gamers go back to War Thunder or whatever. The short attention spans most folks have today will spell doom and soon the honeymoon will be over for MSFS. Not that people won't still use it but the core crowd that has kept flight simming alive will get jaded. I think they developed MSFS to make everyone happy and in the end, it will make no one happy. These are just my opinions of course.

Maybe one day when I'm bored, I'll slap a new SSD in my rig and go buzz my house a few times or perhaps use MSFS for VFR bush flights. But until then, I'm clinging to my P3D like grim death. Hell, I still have FS2004 so I can fly the MD-11 and Level D 767! I'm actually super happy with my V5.3. For systems depth, immersion and flying my cartoon airliner, it checks all the boxes adequately and runs pretty good on my rig. I think anyone that has time and money invested in P3D would be well advised to hang on to it and bonus; grab cheap "going out of business add ons! 

I'm not trying to hate on MSFS, I genuinely hope that by some miracle it can live up to the expectations of the true flight sim nerds like myself. Right now, everyone is enamored with the visuals but from what I see, the road to deep simming is not one that Microsoft had paved in MSFS2020. Like someone earlier pointed out, maybe in 2024 or so.

That’s pretty much the way I see it also, at least for now.

Cheers, Pete

Oh I could write so much about that topic, but I better stay out of it. 

Popcorn 🍿

I haven't opened P3D for about a year now.   MSFS is superior is the right places for me. 

20 minutes ago, Matt Webb said:

 MSFS is superior is the right places for me. 

Great line. Superior in the right places is exactly what this discussion is about.  And in different expressions there are those of us who fall on either side of the question.  For the time being the G1000NXi, RYTB (turbo Bonanza), the SWS Kodiak 100, and a great number of nicely done freeway addon airports have kept me around with MSFS.  But I continue to fly in FSX SE as well with the more in-depth RealAir Turbine Duke v2, A2A Cessna 182, and MIlviz Cessna 310 and B55 Baron, and a ton of also great addon airports and Megascenery Earth scenery.

We each have different styles and preferences.

Big YES for me, with still lots of room for further improvement, which is happening.  Cheers.

Edited February 10, 20224 yr by FrankPilot

What it at least needs to come on par is a much deeper and better SDK for MSFS.

Question: Why WOULD MS enhance the SDK so much, that MSFS COULD be on par with P3D ( -> SDK=Very cost intensive and no ROI for MS??)?

This is a question I have been thinking about for long time.

And the most probably subjective answer is NOT what I like.........I won´t share my thoughts on that answer because I am interested in yours.

😉 

Marcus

12 hours ago, SierraHotel said:

Hi Avi8tir, judge for yourself 😉. Flying the FBW A32NX Experimental with FS2Crew FBW NX32, Pushback Express, RAAS Pro and FS Realistic along with Navigraph charts. Gatwick to Geneva

 

 

What is that weird criss-cross pattern on the runway after landing??

It is more than up to par !

It's perfect !

Have you EVER seen a beautiful gal like Alyzée / Sonant Alpaca  in a flight simulator Team ?

 C'mon, who cares if the weather is not yet fixed, the ground physics need attention or the flight dynamics aren't IL-2-like ? After watching that twitch yesterday, her voice soars around my rig each time I load MFS !

The guys from the other sims are all so ugly !

Edited February 10, 20224 yr by jcomm

6 hours ago, kdfw__ said:

oh my, there was the pmdg=apostate meltdown thread in  the p3d forum and it morphs and jumps to the hanger chat forum. 

sounds an awful lot like a death rattle.  best to enjoy what one has but what is it with avsimers?

 

I didn’t quite understand the purpose of this thread indeed after the PMDG and Milviz threads in the P3D forums. It gets pathetic.

The best is when a P3D self-proclaimed nerd tries to explain me/us the heart and mind of a MSFS simmer like me who has been simming for decades, including seven years with P3D. I gave it up  to fly over my house easy-to-use birds, yeah right 🤣.  Reassuring clichés…
 

Edited February 10, 20224 yr by Dominique_K

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

What is that weird criss-cross pattern on the runway after landing??

Graphic anomalies

Are those anomalies an issue with that airport only, or can they be seen at other airports?

4 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

The best is when a P3D self-proclaimed nerd tries to explain me/us the heart and mind of a MSFS simmer like me who has been simming for decades, including seven years with P3D. I gave it up  to fly over my house easy-to-use birds, yeah right 🤣.  Reassuring clichés…

 

I don't really think anyone is saying that. People are just saying your priorities are different to others. 

People like different simulators for different reasons. I LOVE what MSFS has brought to the table and I think it's revolutionary from a lighting/world/graphics point of view. And I very much understand a lot of simmers using it as their platform of choice. 

However, there are some of us that see some key missing features in MSFS that the developers don't seem keen on implementing any time soon, and stick with other simulators that have those must-have features, even if they don't look as good. 

If those features aren't must-haves to you? Then enjoy MSFS! Different priorities. 

This is the key when answering in a thread like this on "which sim?" The answer is almost always "it depends." What is most important to you and what can you not fly without?