May 24, 20224 yr 5 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said: Leaving the fps counter on for too long is the road to madness. Smoothness is more important overall. I’ve also been quite deep into that rabbit hole… I usually have it on only when I need to tune something (like graphics settings to keep a stable >=30fps). Heathrow… I’d probably have to overclock with liquid nitrogen to be able to get decent performance here. It’s the worst place in the sim for me I think. So true! I wondered what it would be like if I undid the overclock and turned off the frame rate counter - and guess what? It’s fine! (Yes even at Heathrow 🫢) 14900ks, RTX4090, 64Gb@6000-30-36-36-T2, Samsung 990Pro 2Tb , Dell G3223Q 32" 4k Gsync + 27" secondary monitor. Thrustmaster Airbus Edition throttles etc, TPR pedals, MiniCockpit FCU, WinWings FCU, WinWings Orion 2 F15E, WinWings A320 sticks.
May 24, 20224 yr On 5/20/2022 at 6:34 AM, omarsmak30 said: Wild question, for those with KS CPUs that don’t have onboard GPU, doesn’t make sense to get a second cheap GPU to offload the displays rendering? 🤔 I thought about doing this before reading your post. It has turned out to be a good idea. I can run the Fenix without worrying about taking resources away from the CPU or main GPU.
May 25, 20224 yr Okay, I did all the tests with my CPU/GPU. I7 6700K paired with 1080 GTX Ti just barely do the job with this high end aircraft. Throttling/CPU becomes an issue when using the A320 in denser scenery/traffic areas. A cpu priority of highest level for the Fenix apps is a must when you try do to things actually to make it flyable. It worked. Issues arise of course when MSFS starts to compete heavily with the A320 itself for CPU power. Then the lags/lockups/second-freezing/sound popping starts. Whether you/me like it or not, 4 core is just underperforming... Pushes me for na upgrade to i9. It is underway. Good time to step up a few gens op CPU's straight with 32gb ddr5 ram and a 3080 rtx ti. To be continued... I9 12900K @ 5.1ghz P-cores/ 4.0 ghz E-cores fixed HT off / Corsair iCue H150i Capellix Cooler/ MSI Z690 CARBON WiFi / 32GB Corsair DDR5 RAM @ 5200 mhz XMP on / 12GB MSI 4090 RTX Ventus 3 / 7,5 total TB SSD (2+2+2+1+0,5 all NVMe)/ PSU 850W Corsair / 27" (1080P)
May 25, 20224 yr What I am interested in, what difference an onboard gpu makes versus running on CPU for a more powerful CPU. For example, if I buy a 12700K and run the Fenix on the iGPU, will it run better or worse from a 5800X3D that has no iGPU but is otherwise a lot faster for MSFS than the 12700K? Genuine question as these 2 are my two considerations for an upgrade right now. Currently running it on an overclocked 7700K iGPU and it is smoother than running on CPU, but not necessary faster for FPS, just more consistent. Edited May 25, 20224 yr by Makinen11
May 25, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, Makinen11 said: What I am interested in, what difference an onboard gpu makes versus running on CPU for a more powerful CPU. For example, if I buy a 12700K and run the Fenix on the iGPU, will it run better or worse from a 5800X3D that has no iGPU but is otherwise a lot faster for MSFS than the 12700K? Genuine question as these 2 are my two considerations for an upgrade right now. Think of it this way, it depends on a lot of factors, MSFS and any airliner with a lot of displays is going to work both your CPU and GPU, using the iGPU and on quality setting my iGPU is running at 75-82%, that can only be a good thing. I have tried running on CPU and GPU it ran ok on both to tell the truth but its totaly smooth and seems better on the iGPU and so it should. Its a fantastic idea to put all that work on something thats never used. Leveing my CPU and GPU to focus on MSFS more. Edited May 25, 20224 yr by Nyxx David Murden. MSFS • Fenix A320 • PMDG 737 • MG Honda Jet • 414 / TDS 750Xi • FS-ATC Chatter • FlyingIron Spitfire & ME109G • MG Honda Jet • • Fenix A320 Walkthrough PDF • Flightsim.to • DCS • A10c II • F-16c • F/A-18c • F-14 • (Others in hanger) • Supercarrier • Terrains = • Nevada NTTR • Persian Gulf • Syria • Marianas • • [email protected] All Cores HT ON • 32GB DDR4 3200MHz • RTX 3080 • TM Warthog HOTAS • TM TPR • Corsair Virtuoso XT with Dolby Atmos® • Samsung G7 32" 1440p 240Hz • TrackIR 5 & ProClip •
May 25, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, Makinen11 said: What I am interested in, what difference an onboard gpu makes versus running on CPU for a more powerful CPU. For example, if I buy a 12700K and run the Fenix on the iGPU, will it run better or worse from a 5800X3D that has no iGPU but is otherwise a lot faster for MSFS than the 12700K? Genuine question as these 2 are my two considerations for an upgrade right now. Currently running it on an overclocked 7700K iGPU and it is smoother than running on CPU, but not necessary faster for FPS, just more consistent. I am still looking to test performance with HT on as I usually leave it off. My observations with flight simulators as a whole is that the older gens 4core CPU's are better performing with HT off. FPS are somewhat lower when running those extra threads. The upside is that the side apps like AiG controller and web browser/ simtoolkitpro work better, because extra threads help with that bit of a multitasking. The big downside seems to be that a lot less of each core is getting dedicated to the sim. I9 12900K @ 5.1ghz P-cores/ 4.0 ghz E-cores fixed HT off / Corsair iCue H150i Capellix Cooler/ MSI Z690 CARBON WiFi / 32GB Corsair DDR5 RAM @ 5200 mhz XMP on / 12GB MSI 4090 RTX Ventus 3 / 7,5 total TB SSD (2+2+2+1+0,5 all NVMe)/ PSU 850W Corsair / 27" (1080P)
May 25, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, Piotr007 said: I am still looking to test performance with HT on as I usually leave it off. My observations with flight simulators as a whole is that the older gens 4core CPU's are better performing with HT off. FPS are somewhat lower when running those extra threads. The upside is that the side apps like AiG controller and web browser/ simtoolkitpro work better, because extra threads help with that bit of a multitasking. The big downside seems to be that a lot less of each core is getting dedicated to the sim. HT (in my case) made a massive difference for me. MSFS seems to be the opposite to all other sims I've used in the past, in that it actually performs considerably better with HT on. Tom Wright, UK PPL(A) SEP + Night Rating + IMC/IR(R) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM | 16GB RTX 4080 Super | 2x 2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2 | Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Sidestick + Quadrant | Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals | WinCTRL Airbus FCU + EFIS + MCDU
May 25, 20224 yr Enhanced cabin lights are available https://flightsim.to/file/33708/fenix-a320-cabin-light AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5 6000MHZ RAM, RX7900XT, FreeSync 165hz 1440p display
May 27, 20224 yr Today something weird happened. When I began taxiing the plane started to move backwards (but no reverse thrust), spoilers fully up, then it bounced around and shouted „retard“ at me. Never had anything like that before. I didn‘t change any of my settings or key bindings. Very strange. i9-11900K, RTX 4090, 32 GB ram, Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo, TCA Airbus sidestick and quadrant, Reverb G2
May 27, 20224 yr On 5/25/2022 at 8:44 AM, Piotr007 said: Okay, I did all the tests with my CPU/GPU. I7 6700K paired with 1080 GTX Ti just barely do the job with this high end aircraft. Throttling/CPU becomes an issue when using the A320 in denser scenery/traffic areas. A cpu priority of highest level for the Fenix apps is a must when you try do to things actually to make it flyable. It worked. Issues arise of course when MSFS starts to compete heavily with the A320 itself for CPU power. Then the lags/lockups/second-freezing/sound popping starts. Whether you/me like it or not, 4 core is just underperforming... Pushes me for na upgrade to i9. It is underway. Good time to step up a few gens op CPU's straight with 32gb ddr5 ram and a 3080 rtx ti. To be continued... Yes your CPU is quite weak, you are severely CPU limited (GPU is good, I have the same, no need to get a 3080, you will not notice a performance increase). This will indeed create problems in denser scenery or more traffic, but this is not unique to the Fenix (though the Fenix uses more CPU than other planes). You can switch the displays to "performance" and onto the GPU, which will gain you 10 FPS in extreme cases. Also in those mentioned areas you either need to reduce traffic or other MSFS CPU-intensive settings, mostly terrain LOD. Of course if you really need 100% traffic and 200 LOD, then a new CPU is indeed the only way to go forward. For transparency: I'm a community mentor at the BATC discord. However, I do not get paid for it in any way.
May 27, 20224 yr On 5/25/2022 at 4:58 PM, Tom Wright said: HT (in my case) made a massive difference for me. MSFS seems to be the opposite to all other sims I've used in the past, in that it actually performs considerably better with HT on. Yep running my I7-12700K 20 cores it's a breath of fresh air no performance issue anymore coupled with a RTX 3080... André
May 27, 20224 yr I havent fully understanded the Fenix APP . Quite often when i load it before MSFS it needs to be reloaded again when at the gate for the panel state to work. The default when applied cold and dark state doesnt always load. Sometimes its like it resets. Other than that its a very very good start week. I need to look more into the controls as my Thrustmaster TCA isnt so good for the detents. Left and right Throttle is a little off sync be default so i have YSYM thrust instead of toga flex for instance (MAN FLX) Michael Moe Michael Moe
May 27, 20224 yr Ok I tested my new gaming rig. The results are staggering to say the least. Last was a test flight yesterday with the Fenix A320 from EGLL to EHAM settings high/ultra. Specs; i9 12900K @ P-cores 5.2 ghz/ E-cores 4.1 ghz l/ V-core 1.250v/ temps 40c <-> 80c / HT-off (HT-on is higher temps + stutters @ heavy scenery) Mobo; MSI Z690 carbon Wifi 32 gb DDR5 Corsair @ 5.200 mhz Gpu: 3080RTX Ti Ventus 3 12GB 2TB ssd Okay, I first left HT on. It was nice and smooth until some heavy load came up. CPU became somewhat limited by the extra threads. After turning HT-off, ratio fixed, turbo mode off, fixed clocks. Full dedicated 16-core, the sim went smoother AND cooler!! Win-win. Todays tests involve; Fenix KJFK Fenix LAX Fenix RJTT Pretty sure it will handle just fine. I9 12900K @ 5.1ghz P-cores/ 4.0 ghz E-cores fixed HT off / Corsair iCue H150i Capellix Cooler/ MSI Z690 CARBON WiFi / 32GB Corsair DDR5 RAM @ 5200 mhz XMP on / 12GB MSI 4090 RTX Ventus 3 / 7,5 total TB SSD (2+2+2+1+0,5 all NVMe)/ PSU 850W Corsair / 27" (1080P)
May 27, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, Michael Moe said: I havent fully understanded the Fenix APP . Quite often when i load it before MSFS it needs to be reloaded again when at the gate for the panel state to work. The default when applied cold and dark state doesnt always load. Sometimes its like it resets. Other than that its a very very good start week. I need to look more into the controls as my Thrustmaster TCA isnt so good for the detents. Left and right Throttle is a little off sync be default so i have YSYM thrust instead of toga flex for instance (MAN FLX) Michael Moe I never load the Fenix App, it just starts automatically when I load MSFS...
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