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Windows 11 downgrade to Windows 10

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I have been offered a Windows 11 upgrade several times on my PC, but I have chosen not to do so. It will not make the slightest bit of difference to my Windows (or flight simulation) experience.

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Windows 11 shows lower performance and frame times compared to Windows 10 in gaming bench marks mainly due to the bloatware Microsoft installs by default. Personally I'm staying on Windows 10

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4 hours ago, Fielder said:

Then there's the Win 11 ridiculous right mouse click menu in File Explorer. Copy, Cut, Paste, Rename, 'Open with', and Properties are now gone from the menu

none of those options are missing for me?

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The icons at the top are Cut, Copy, Rename, Shortcut and Delete. Properties and Open With are in the list. I have not touched anything with the right click menu AFAIK, this should be default.

 

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5 hours ago, Fielder said:

Then there's the Win 11 ridiculous right mouse click menu in File Explorer. Copy, Cut, Paste, Rename, 'Open with', and Properties are now gone from the menu until you do the extra step of clicking on 'Show More Options'. For someone adjusting files or folders, that might be an extra 200 mouse clicks an hour.

YES! I can think of no sensible reason why they did this?!

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44 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

none of those options are missing for me?

I think he was talking about the "show more options" on the bottom, whereas in Win11 everything was in the same list. 

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6 hours ago, Fielder said:

Then there's the Win 11 ridiculous right mouse click menu in File Explorer. Copy, Cut, Paste, Rename, 'Open with', and Properties
are now gone from the menu until you do the extra step of clicking on 'Show More Options'.

It's hard to misunderstand this.
Perhaps, if we are to guess, he meant that the words "Copy, Cut, Paste, Rename, 'Open with', and Properties" are missing, in which case,
four out of the five words are indeed missing.
I don't see this as ridiculous, icons seem to be the way forward and getting used to new things is not so difficult.
There are even tooltips to remind you what the icons mean if you hover over them.
Windows 8 and 10 were once reviled as not being the same as Windows 7 but you don't see many such complaints these days. 

 

2 hours ago, z06z33 said:

Windows 11 shows lower performance and frame times compared to Windows 10 in gaming bench marks mainly due to the bloatware Microsoft installs by default. Personally I'm staying on Windows 10

Bunch of rubbish, every benchmark shows identical performance when HAGS is off. Windows 11 is just a reskinned Windows 10 basically. 

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Most likely some of hardware driver is not fully compatible with WIN 11 causing stutters.

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2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

none of those options are missing for me?

aBwcZpj.png

The icons at the top are Cut, Copy, Rename, Shortcut and Delete. Properties and Open With are in the list. I have not touched anything with the right click menu AFAIK, this should be default.

 

I found this to be the greatest reason to STAY with Win11. So much easier than having to right-click files.

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Find it amusing people obsess over these menu changes and whatnot, when literally everything can be changed in 10 seconds. My right-click menu on Windows 11 is identical to the Windows 10 version. Even installed a new start menu. 

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2 hours ago, Reader said:

It's hard to misunderstand this.

…and yet I think I managed to misread @Fielder. Copy, paste and properties are still there on the first right-click. Other features like 7zip (if installed), send to (e.g. desktop) and symbolic links (3rd party app) requires an additional click on “show more options”. Which quickly becomes a bit of a hassle if you use such features a lot. 

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7 hours ago, Reader said:

Copy, Cut, Paste, Rename and Delete are all still there, as icons, including a new one, share.
Properties is still there as text.
Agreed, "open with" needs another click but if dealing with large numbers of files, it is easy
enough to select a default program and thus remove the need for "open with".

Thanks I didn't know that. I never had Windows 11 more than 2 days in a row in my testing.

"Open With" I use several times a day. For instance Gimp is a great image processor, but it can't  open WebP files, so I use Irfanview for only that. Snagit editor I use about equally often as Gimp. If I want to put an arrow pointer on an image, Snagit does that easily, Gimp does not.

At least I can move the taskbar, have the icons on it on the left instead of centered, and move the taskbar to the side instead of the bottom. Win 11 turns all that off in the registry.

I first DL Win 11, right when it was released, I immediately went online at Microsoft's forum to see about what happened to toolbars. There were dozens of messages already in a giant thread complaining about the missing toolbar feature. Some were angry. Microsoft representatives in the thread refused to back down. They said their aim was to streamline Windows. Things calmed down when somebody said already there were two new fixes on Github that hacked the registry to allow toolbars.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

none of those options are missing for me?

aBwcZpj.png

The icons at the top are Cut, Copy, Rename, Shortcut and Delete. Properties and Open With are in the list. I have not touched anything with the right click menu AFAIK, this should be default.

 

Menu's? I always use F2 for renaming a file 😉

 

Edited by kiek

For anyone missing Win10 features and menus/optionsWinaero Tweaker is the answer to most of those issues. I found it pretty easy to use and it gives links to webpages explaining what changes it makes.

My right-click menu is now pretty much as it was in Win 10 and I have the same control over most things that I had before upgrading to Win11.

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In terms of why Microsoft seems to "reinvent the wheel" quite often with product upgrades it is apparently related to their project management practices.  In normal MS software projects (as opposed to MSFS where Asobo is a separate entity who only do MSFS) developers are classified by roles (DB, GUI etc etc) and once they have finished an assigned job are given a new job suited to their role but often in a totally different project. This is efficient in terms of personnel management but it does mean almost no one has the "big picture" and often apps can change radically from one version to the next. 

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