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Poor Performance with NVIDIA 4090

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4 minutes ago, Farlis said:

I personally would NEVER buy the top tier NVIDIA GPU at release. They are always insanely overpriced.

I would, so 💁‍♂️ not sure what your point is. Who cares? 

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8 hours ago, Ohmsquare said:

What is overdone about the OP's settings?

How about that every single setting and LOD is Ultra. I'm merely accepting the OP's statement at face value that his current configuration isn't working. Experimenting with reduced settings is not an unreasonable or inflammatory suggestion, though I'm also inclined to agree that the power supply issue needs to be addressed. My car will continue to run if you disconnect one of the spark plugs. But it won't run as well.

Perhaps I missed it, but the OP didn't mention his Render Scale settings. I've personally bypassed this beta, so maybe that option has been subsumed into other settings. But, generally speaking, if you run everything on Ultra, at 4K, with the LODs scaled way up and the Render Scale double what's necessary, you're going to run into problems on anyone's hardware.

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Might be a good Idea to have RTSS running on screen while you trying to figure out whats going on.

I'd definitely run DDU. The option for putting in a new card. After the system shuts down turn the power

supply off for few mins before restarting the system. Delete the MSFS config file and reinstall the latest Nvidia Driver.

RTSS should give you a very clear picture of whats going on including your power consumption.

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You need to run a few benchmarks. That's the only way to know what the problem is. 

Probably silly suggestion, but is it possible you removed a motherboard power connector when you installed the card and routed those 3 x 150W PCI-E power cables to your new card?

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10 hours ago, elee said:

I just did AI Overclocking and it has reached 5.3Mhz. Same test, same result. By the way, I'm on SU11 Beta with DLSS 3.0 and Nvidia 522.25 driver and also DX12 beta with DLSS enabled in MSFS.

This shouldn't be happening. As you say, you should be seeing 60 FPS or much more.

The strangest thing is that the GPU does not exceed 40% utilization. The GPU Clock in just 1300Mhz

Hello

i had the same problem with my 4090 with gpu doesn’t stay at full speed, I change power management in nvidia control panel to max and it is better now I can stay at 2,5ghz 

Frédéric Giraud

10 hours ago, elee said:

I just did AI Overclocking and it has reached 5.3Mhz. Same test, same result. By the way, I'm on SU11 Beta with DLSS 3.0 and Nvidia 522.25 driver and also DX12 beta with DLSS enabled in MSFS.

This shouldn't be happening. As you say, you should be seeing 60 FPS or much more.

The strangest thing is that the GPU does not exceed 40% utilization. The GPU Clock in just 1300Mhz

I don't see anything strange in that. According to your screenshots you are limited by main thread, not GPU. Why would the GPU need to exceed 40% utilization if it's not needed?

 

Alvega

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Sure seems like hardware is being throttled. As other stated, run some other games/benchmarks to ensure your system performance is solid and that this is a FS2020 specific problem.

Check if all power cables are connected, both to the motherboard and to the GPU.
Run benchmarks.
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2 hours ago, Republic3D said:

You need to run a few benchmarks. That's the only way to know what the problem is. 

 

This. 
Said it on page 1. Run a benchmark. 3D Mark. Do it. 🙂

It's NOT the PSU. A 4090 hardly draws above 500W when pushed to 100%. He's only using 10%, so there's lots of headroom for the rest of the system with his 850W PSU.

Only way it could be the PSU is if it's broken somehow.

After a reboot, wait a minute and check taskmanager for CPU utilization, should be only a few % at idle.

Have you cleaned your OS of all kinds of word not allowed-ware and disabled all telemetry etc...?

Use DDU to clean out everything AMD and nVidia related, then re-install the driver and empty the shader cache.

Something's not right, that's very obvious, and it can be fixed, so stay on it and keep reporting on your progress please.

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4 hours ago, David Mills said:

How about that every single setting and LOD is Ultra. I'm merely accepting the OP's statement at face value that his current configuration isn't working. Experimenting with reduced settings is not an unreasonable or inflammatory suggestion, though I'm also inclined to agree that the power supply issue needs to be addressed. My car will continue to run if you disconnect one of the spark plugs. But it won't run as well.

Perhaps I missed it, but the OP didn't mention his Render Scale settings. I've personally bypassed this beta, so maybe that option has been subsumed into other settings. But, generally speaking, if you run everything on Ultra, at 4K, with the LODs scaled way up and the Render Scale double what's necessary, you're going to run into problems on anyone's hardware.

Render Scale, interesting now that you mention it I have noticed that this option disappears when you enable Anti-Aliasing to DLSS. I did a test disabling DLSS and placing TAA with a Render of 200 and it stays at 26 FPS. TAA with Render of 100 stays the same at 25 FPS. Even an extreme test, Anti-Aliansing OFF and Render at the minimum allowed which is 30, the FPS remain exactly the same. It is what I have said, any change that I make in the configuration of the MSFS does not make any change neither better nor worse in the FPS. What I have noticed is that in no test I have done, the GPU reaches more than 40% utilization. And the CPU never even reaches 10%. It's as if things are happening outside of this PC.

Eduardo Lee

(MROC)

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18 minutes ago, neumanix said:

It's NOT the PSU. A 4090 hardly draws above 500W when pushed to 100%. He's only using 10%, so there's lots of headroom for the rest of the system with his 850W PSU.

Only way it could be the PSU is if it's broken somehow.

After a reboot, wait a minute and check taskmanager for CPU utilization, should be only a few % at idle.

Have you cleaned your OS of all kinds of word not allowed-ware and disabled all telemetry etc...?

Use DDU to clean out everything AMD and nVidia related, then re-install the driver and empty the shader cache.

Something's not right, that's very obvious, and it can be fixed, so stay on it and keep reporting on your progress please.

The Nvidia person who is attending to my problem confirmed that I do not need all 4 connectors. That's why I also think it's not the PSU. As reported, I did a full reinstall of W11 and MSFS, new Nvidia drivers. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not true that the GPU should be above 80% utilization and the CPU above 30%. It is something that I have noticed, if I am placed in the most demanding airport (Example KJFK) with heavy traffic, the GPU is only 20% or 30% and the CPU is only 10%. The PSU reports just 350W or maximum 400W of consumption in these conditions.

Eduardo Lee

(MROC)

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3 hours ago, Alvega said:

I don't see anything strange in that. According to your screenshots you are limited by main thread, not GPU. Why would the GPU need to exceed 40% utilization if it's not needed?

 

Error maybe on my part. I was under the belief that if you put a major challenge on the GPU like a heavy scenario and where it has low FPS, the GPU would use all its power to boost performance and FPS.

Eduardo Lee

(MROC)

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3 hours ago, grandfred29 said:

Hello

i had the same problem with my 4090 with gpu doesn’t stay at full speed, I change power management in nvidia control panel to max and it is better now I can stay at 2,5ghz 

Please can you do a test just to have a parameter. Can you please locate yourself at KJFK airport and enable air traffic hopefully FSLTL or some other and tell me how many FPS you have. What resolution does your monitor have? What important settings do you have in MSFS (HDR, AA, Directx version(DX11 or DX12 beta)? Please, your information would be very helpful for me.

Eduardo Lee

(MROC)

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Just now, elee said:

Please can you do a test just to have a parameter. Can you please locate yourself at KJFK airport and enable air traffic hopefully FSLTL or some other and tell me how many FPS you have. What resolution does your monitor have? What important settings do you have in MSFS (HDR, AA, Directx version(DX11 or DX12 beta)? Please, your information would be very helpful for me.

Ahh very important, what PSU do you have and how many connectors, 3 or 4?

Eduardo Lee

(MROC)

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