I would like the CJ4 and the Longitude to have animated doors and stairs before calling them "study-level".

10 minutes ago, edpatino said:

I would like the CJ4 and the Longitude to have animated doors and stairs before calling them "study-level".

We need to ask MSFS/Asobo to create a cabin/door models for that to be possible. But it would be great to have if they could go back to the models and do some updates. 

12 minutes ago, edpatino said:

I would like the CJ4 and the Longitude to have animated doors and stairs before calling them "study-level".

I tend to agree on this; animators of all the crucial surfaces are important. I have not looked to see but are all the systems properly modeled on these two now -- electrical, pressurization, etc.? Are any failures modeled? I think study level means different things to different people so I thought to ask as these are the things I look for to consider an aircraft study level. (Please note, I am not trying to define "study level", I don't think that is possible as people have different expectations and preferences and these are all valid. I just saying what I personally am looking for in a "study level" aircraft.)

Yes we are so fortunate to have planes as good, comprehensive and usable as the 'new' CJ4 and the Longtide.  Remember the default Learjet that came with FS2004?   How we've come on!   I too would love to see some polish around things like opening doors, movable visors etc, on all the default planes.  It's the only thing that makes many of them feel 'default'.

1 minute ago, JYW said:

Remember the default Learjet that came with FS2004

So funny you mention this! 2004 was before I learned of the add-on community and I remember flying that Lear a good amount! How far we have come in 20 years!

2 hours ago, Jacoba said:

The Falcon 8X coming for XP12 will be very nice. But yes a nice Falcon or Gulfstream for MSFS is needed!

XP12???😶 Wrong forum as something released for that plateform doesn't help us much on this side.

4 hours ago, thepilot said:

Wish we could substitute one for a study level regional jet…

I think it got worse 'press' than it should have as I find the Aerosoft CRJ700 quite effective in many ways.  "Study Level" is a poorly defined status but there is no question IMM this plane has many to most elements of one no matter how it's defined.

2 hours ago, edpatino said:

I would like the CJ4 and the Longitude to have animated doors and stairs before calling them "study-level".

Yeah, It takes a lot of studying to open doors. Think I have to buy the book, "Howto open doors for Dummies" when the beta patch becomes official so I can learn howto open the doors on the TBM. Oh man, can't wait too dig deep into door opening and pulling down stairs.

2 hours ago, edpatino said:

I would like the CJ4 and the Longitude to have animated doors and stairs before calling them "study-level".

To be fair if that term is used then I'd expect absolutely every function to work as per the real aircraft. I don't think WT plan that.

Not that they are not fantastic in their own right though. Certainly we are well served with quality BizJets, would like to see FlightFX tackle something longer range next - or perhaps an X+.....

 

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Been testing the Longitude and I think it's pretty impressive. Not sure about study level, although I had to resort to the user manual to figure out some things. Both lateral and vertical navigation seems to be working well, and it was easy to program a holding pattern. Pretty impressive system depth for a default aircraft - study level or not. 

1 hour ago, Kaboki said:

Yeah, It takes a lot of studying to open doors. Think I have to buy the book, "Howto open doors for Dummies" when the beta patch becomes official so I can learn howto open the doors on the TBM. Oh man, can't wait too dig deep into door opening and pulling down stairs.

Yes, for sure it'd take the most part of the aircraft manuals!, but do it with patience.

The term "Study Level" has no meaning to me.  Whether or not I enjoy the plane does so it is the HJET for me every time.

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7 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Well, you'd be looking at those:

Bombardier Global 7500 – range 7,700 nm.

Gulfstream G650ER – range 7,500 nm.

Dassault Falcon 8X – range 6,450 nm.

I'd put the likelihood at any of these coming out in the same ballpark as the likelihood that the text message I just got is from Kylie Jenner.😄

Don’t forget this one my friend. Global 8000. The fastest (Mach .94) and the longest range (8,000 nm). Introducing the Global 8000 aircraft

 

8 hours ago, JHaas said:

How come Gulfstream has resisted having their aircraft appear in flight sims? Is it their proprietary avionics or "just because"? I remember for a long time Porsche would not let their car's likeness or anything be used in racing sims/games but they changed their thinking.

The past issue with Porsche and racing games/sim was over damage models. Things get real tricky on how certain car manufactures feel about crash tests/safety standards/digital damage models.

Yes even being modeled and portrayed in a video game, Porsche just weren't fond of it, hence why some game studios just took the RUF (Aftermarket Porsche Tuner) route since they were completely rebadged with a different manufacturer.

Lots of different moods and pet peeves with certain automotive manufactures, like Ferrari lifetime banning wealthy celebrities from direct first party purchases of Ferrari vehicles. Stating the modifications they've made to their vehicles are "distasteful" to the "Ferrari core values and traditions". 🤣

9 hours ago, JHaas said:

How come Gulfstream has resisted having their aircraft appear in flight sims? Is it their proprietary avionics or "just because"? I remember for a long time Porsche would not let their car's likeness or anything be used in racing sims/games but they changed their thinking. With the clammer for long range bizjets and the general cachet of Gulfstream, I would think they would be a popular item in flight simmer's hangers.

No one knows the correct answer. Perhaps a combination of reasons. The Gulfstream G650 is in production by Cockspur. So this will be very interesting to see how it evolves. There was a thread a little while back re the announcement Here

Quality reviews are very mixed on this developer. Let’s hope for the best and see how this will be marketed given the history of no Gulfstream jets in flight simulators.

With the recent avionics upgrades in the sim, Cockspur has the potential to really pull off a popular winner for the community.  With some good texturing it is easy to get excited about this long range biz jet. I know I will bite if the score card passes! 

Edited December 12, 20223 yr by Doering