5 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I disagree. FS2020 was always a more realistic flight simulator than FSX/P3D. 

I mean P3D still doesn't even pretend to have live weather to this very day!

Too many people (not you, btw) conflate what add-ons are available for a sim with how good the sim itself is. 

Fair point 🙂, I'll be honest though.. the only part about MSFS I was unsure about in the beginning was its SDK and capabilities to enable aircraft add-ons to be developed with good or better fidelity, given that all the default aircraft at the time were sub-par and no serious add-on had come out (of course reading/watching over the SDK docs and other material certainly made MSFS seem quite capable, but that was still on paper).. until 2022 rolled in and we first saw the SWS Kodiak, then PMDG DC6, then the PMDG 737, etc and finally all those doubts were put to rest, at least for me.
 

22 minutes ago, pommy80 said:

Where did they say they have stopped P3D development completely?

See their post below from July 2023 and the parts I bolded. This is a point in time statement, in terms of only focusing on MSFS now and for foreseeable future.

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/topic/32876-04-july-2023-news-update/

Hello everyone,

<initial bits about maintenance updates snipped>

I would also like to take a minute to discuss our plans to integrate our products into Lockheed Martin's newly released Prepar3D v6 (P3Dv6) simulation platform:

As mentioned before, while development of our Concorde title was ongoing, our development and innovation efforts have focused in bringing all new versions of our existing product lineup to Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS). MSFS, with its sophisticated graphics, real-world mapping, and an immersive user experience, aligns well with our aim to provide customers once again with highly realistic and engaging flight simulation experiences. We believe that our product range will significantly enhance the capabilities and realism of MSFS, thereby offering added value to our users.

While we understand and acknowledge the potential of P3Dv6, at this point in time, our resources and attention are devoted to maximizing the features and compatibility of our products with MSFS. Therefore, given the significant amount of work required to bring full compatibility to our products for P3Dv6, we have decided to revisit the possibility of adapting our lineup for P3Dv6 once we have successfully executed our current focus.

It is important to clarify that this does not imply any permanent disassociation from the P3Dv6 platform. Rather, it's a strategic decision to prioritize resources, assuring that we bring forth the best possible product enhancements to our users, one platform at a time. P3Dv6 remains a vital element in our long-term platform strategy, and we look forward to exploring its potential in due course.

We appreciate your understanding and patience and promise to keep everyone abreast of our progress. We eagerly anticipate the successful introduction of our product range to MSFS, followed by a careful consideration of any possible P3Dv6 adaptations.

As always, thank you for your continuous trust and support!
 

Edited February 17, 20242 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

Fair point 🙂, I'll be honest though.. the only part about MSFS I was unsure about in the beginning was its SDK and capabilities to enable aircraft add-ons to be developed with good or better fidelity, given that all the default aircraft at the time were sub-par and no serious add-on had come out (of course reading/watching over the SDK docs and other material certainly made MSFS seem quite capable, but that was still on paper).. until 2022 rolled in and we first saw the SWS Kodiak, then PMDG DC6, then the PMDG 737, etc and finally all those doubts were put to rest, at least for me.
 

Agree with the early days assessment. Though I never had a doubt that high fidelity aircraft would come to the sim.

I was surprised to see how long it took (which supports your initial concerns AND puts to rest all the uninformed folks claims of "copy/paste" and "port over"), and utterly shocked at how quickly the P3D market became moribund (very sad!).

In any case, there's simply no doubt that MSFS has been one of the top 2 most realistic flight sims of all time and continues to improve at a blistering pace. 🙂

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

our development and innovation efforts have focused in bringing all new versions of our existing product lineup to Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS). We believe that our product range will significantly enhance the capabilities and realism of MSFS

I hope the best for them but I truly wonder what place & level of success they're going to have in MSFS. And the longer time goes on, the harder it's going to be for them to come in, unless they can bring something other than seemingly over-represented narrow body Airbuses and the amazingly complicated yet "ancient" steam gauge Concorde to the game.

And they were always the most expensive addons in ESP by a good margin, IIRC. What a massive unit-price hit they'll have to take in MSFS vs even the near-peer addons like Fenix...

16 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I hope the best for them but I truly wonder what place & level of success they're going to have in MSFS. And the longer time goes on, the harder it's going to be for them to come in, unless they can bring something other than seemingly over-represented narrow body Airbuses and the amazingly complicated yet "ancient" steam gauge Concorde to the game.

And they were always the most expensive addons in ESP by a good margin, IIRC. What a massive unit-price hit they'll have to take in MSFS vs even the near-peer addons like Fenix...

 

They probably will have a bit of success with the Concorde, but yes agreed hope for their sake they are prioritizing the A330 and whatever non-A32x aircraft in their catalog for MSFS.

4 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

 

They probably will have a bit of success with the Concorde, but yes agreed hope for their sake they are prioritizing the A330 and whatever non-A32x aircraft in their catalog for MSFS.

Hope to see something else for P3D as they initially promised NEO and A330.

im pretty sure to me honest, if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

Notice the OP has never been back to this thread since his first post, on 8th Jan?

He stated he's a P3D user but he has dozens of posts asking for help with MSFS on here!  (And I'm sure he's been using MSFS since before 8th Jan as I remember his initial MSFS problem posts).

So you drop a "Fenix vs FSL" bomb then leave the building 😄

24 minutes ago, juaness said:

Hope to see something else for P3D as they initially promised NEO and A330.

im pretty sure to me honest, if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

FSLabs probably will never release another new add-on for P3D again unless some future version of P3D is very revolutionary and brings back the users that it lost. You should check the FSLabs forums. Another FSLabs employee (not Lefteris) mentioned how the market had shifted to MSFS so that's what FSLab's future is. From what I am aware, they aren't even updating their product line for P3D version 6 although Lefteris said he would reconsider it at a later date.

The bigger reason why they are dropping P3D is because they can't make enough money developing products for P3D. FSLabs has to pay employee salaries, pay for rent, pay for their computers, etc. And they can't pay for all that if they develop for P3D because they have to make a profit at the end of the day and they won't make a profit if they don't sell enough copies of whatever new product they invested time and money to develop.

Sorry to give you the hard truth, but that's the reality of running a business and keeping your business afloat.

Edited February 17, 20242 yr by abrams_tank

42 minutes ago, juaness said:

Hope to see something else for P3D as they initially promised NEO and A330.

im pretty sure to me honest, if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

As FSL have clearly stated on their last forum announcement post, they are fully focusing on MSFS now, as are a great majority of other devs. By FSL's own words if they ever consider P3D again in the future, it'd be after they bring their product line to MSFS. And given their glacial pace of development we might be lucky to get even their first MSFS bird before end of 2024.

Even *if* FSL did some new airbuses for P3D then sure some of the FSL diehards *might* go back to P3D, but if those same FSL aircraft are also available on MSFS, highly unlikely.

What's going to get traction for P3D depends entirely on what LM does for P3D post v6. But that's a discussion for another forum.

Edited February 17, 20242 yr by lwt1971

Delete NVM.

Edited February 18, 20242 yr by JBDB-MD80

1 hour ago, JYW said:

Notice the OP has never been back to this thread since his first post, on 8th Jan?

He stated he's a P3D user but he has dozens of posts asking for help with MSFS on here!  (And I'm sure he's been using MSFS since before 8th Jan as I remember his initial MSFS problem posts).

So you drop a "Fenix vs FSL" bomb then leave the building 😄

Tbf, the OP created this thread on January 8th 2023, So of course he has probably moved to MSFS between now and then.

33 minutes ago, pommy80 said:

Tbf, the OP created this thread on January 8th 2023, So of course he has probably moved to MSFS between now and then.

Fair enough, my bad.  Thought it was this year.

14 minutes ago, JYW said:

Fair enough, my bad.  Thought it was this year.

I clicked on this forum post, not even realising it was me that started it a year last January!

What I will say is that Fenix and MSFS have blown my expectation out of the water. We know things aren't perfect BUT in terms of product quality we are where FSLabs and P3D were...if not beyond. B

I've never much understood, or indeed cared for this sort of angst.  Many know of my affection for and participation with PMDG for the past couple of decades, but I welcome ALL developers in the jet transport arena, indeed in any high quality flight simulation arena.

I am impressed with what Fenix has done, and very much look forward to Block 2.  That said, I appreciated what FSL had done with the Airbus in P3D, and should they make their debut in MSFS, I will be glad to see another high level developer enter the arena.  Competition is a healthy thing, and has been sorely missing in our new Sim.  Scraping and scrambling for the top spot, will force each developer to extend their particular envelope, expand their technique and increase their comprehensive approach.  As a consumer, that is a very good thing.

The older I get, the more I find, there's room for us all.

C

Edited February 18, 20242 yr by cavaricooper

4 hours ago, juaness said:

Hope to see something else for P3D as they initially promised NEO and A330.

im pretty sure to me honest, if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

Yeah, and people will drop Windows 10 and 11 for DOS 3.1....😏