Three points on this topic:

• It is absolutely possible to compare two products on two different platforms, so long as you realise and accept the limitations that each platform places on each respective airliner product. Both airliners have their own pros and cons, even allowing for the limitations they work within.
• Even as a fan of the Fenix A320, the FSLabs version has more systems depth and is more complete – at this particular moment in time. That’s to be expected for a product that FSLabs has been selling for 7 years, compared to Fenix at under 2 years with theirs.
• Following Block 2 release, I anticipate the Fenix systems depth to surpass that of the FSLabs. Only following the A319/A321 expansion pack and sharklets release will the Fenix product be 'complete'.

Before this gets locked Aerosoft is better.

On 1/8/2023 at 9:49 AM, Matchstick said:

DCS F-14 (& C-101) would probably want a word as well...

Likewise Xtreme Prototype's GLJ 25/28 might have a paragraph or two lol (XP GLJ Model 25/28 v4 Bundle | Xtreme Prototypes)

7 hours ago, juaness said:

im pretty sure to me honest, if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

This is the strangest statement I've read on Avsim in a very long time.

9 hours ago, juaness said:

 

pretty sure to me honest, if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

Will never happen. I own everything that FSL has ever produced, including the 64-bit Concorde which I only bought to support them and get the MSFS version at reduced price, but I will never ever go back to P3D.

11 hours ago, juaness said:

if they go initially for NEO and A330 for P3D with such level of detail, then will be a huge rollback from MSFS to P3D users. 

I don't mean to offend you, but I think this suggestion is wholly delusional. Users had moved to MSFS before LSH, PMDG, Fenix, or FSLabs entered the MSFS market.

2 hours ago, SierraDelta said:

Will never happen. I own everything that FSL has ever produced, including the 64-bit Concorde which I only bought to support them and get the MSFS version at reduced price, but I will never ever go back to P3D.

Sorry but I want to see that. Just imagine A NEO and A330 at the level of detail that FSLABS and I would like to know how many return to P3D.

But again. Different platforms. Do you compare XPLAN with DCS or P3D? 
one shouldn’t exclude the other
 

that’s it 

Edited February 18, 20242 yr by juaness

17 minutes ago, juaness said:

Sorry but I want to see that. Just imagine A NEO and A330 at the level of detail that FSLABS and I would like to know how many return to P3D.

But again. Different platforms. Do you compare XPLAN with DCS or P3D? 
one shouldn’t exclude the other
 

that’s it 

even if that actually happens (fslabs is not doing anything else for p3d as far as I understand) you will never know how many people return to p3d after an aircraft release.

I also purchased the concorde just to support them, but after that release in august no further announcements has been shared by Lefteris.

I honestly think there is some kind of marketing/commercial driven decisions from both Fenix and FSL to be sure their products hit the market at the right time, hense the delays. Or is it just that they haven't been able to create a product with a quality standard that satisfies themselves?

Chances of me installing P3D again are pretty much 0. Not for any type of addon. 

13 minutes ago, roi1862 said:

Chances of me installing P3D again are pretty much 0. Not for any type of addon. 

Nah me neither. 

I do miss the weather radar, though... I'm still hoping out, that Microsoft/Asobo will make that feature available at some point.

2 hours ago, juaness said:

Sorry but I want to see that. Just imagine A NEO and A330 at the level of detail that FSLABS and I would like to know how many return to P3D.

In addition to what Lefteris said, here is what Andrew Wilson from FSLabs had to say, after a FSLabs forum poster said it was P3D users who put FSLabs "where they are":

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Our customers who have since migrated to MSFS (a significant proportion) could equally put forward a similar argument. Our business decisions are not engineered around customer loyalty - they are built upon market research and ROI. Like it or not, the community base using P3D is reducing rapidly and this latest release from LM will not alter this trajectory.

ROI.  Return on Investment.  If you read between the lines, it's obvious FSLabs won't return to P3D for their new products, because they won't get a good ROI on it (ie. they will probably lose money making a new product for P3D).

Edited February 18, 20242 yr by abrams_tank

I think one and pretty obvious answer to the question of this threat! FSLab hasn’t released anything for MSFS to have fair comparisons with Fenix ! Lol

I am sure they hard at work behind the scenes. We waited endlessly for the A320 sharklets but when it was finally released, it was completely worth the wait. When they come up with something for MSFS (be it an A320 CEO/NEO or A330), it will be impressive, and likely raise the bar. This is simply what their history suggests.

PMDG 747 still the main reason i will go back and visit P3D5.4 . Also prefer FSL series for now. Time for me is the biggest issue so often its the MD-82 in MSFS that gets the choice at the moment. This bird has matured and getting close to the P3D version. Some parts is allready better.

 

Michael Moe

39 minutes ago, thepilot said:

I am sure they hard at work behind the scenes. We waited endlessly for the A320 sharklets but when it was finally released, it was completely worth the wait. When they come up with something for MSFS (be it an A320 CEO/NEO or A330), it will be impressive, and likely raise the bar. This is simply what their history suggests.

Given their extreme slow pace of development I hope their first release for MSFS is either the Concorde or A330 as I'll definitely jump on those without hesitation 🙂 .. If it's an A32x, which I guess is the most likely, gonna be a very hard sell (even if in NEO form)

I believe the last time they mentioned the A330 was in May 2022: https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/topic/31971-may-12-2022-a-news-update/
We're also happy to announce that the A3XX product that we've been teasing for a while now is in fact the Airbus A330. We've been working on this product along side our other development and we expect to give you more news on that later on.

Wonder if they've said anything about it since.. Perhaps in the internal forums only available to customers?
 

Edited February 18, 20242 yr by lwt1971