9 hours ago, oldflyguy70 said:

This may have been addressed previously, but has JF indicated whether this model will be a free upgrade when MSFS2024 is released?  $70 is a lot.  And it seems that MSFS2024 will require a lot of re-working flight model-wise for MSFS2020 aircraft.  At least in this price category.  They have not yet updated the Arrow for XP12.

This is completely false, watch and listen to Seb during the recent FSExpo 🙂

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

That's good news - but sadly not one of mine 😞

Just checked again and still waiting for Hawk, Vulcan, Turbo Arrow, and BAe 146...

The sad part is JF don't even do this work themselves - it's all subbed out to Thranda...

Quite the one man crusade you've been waging against us over the weekend US, thanks for that, you've become our very own Sales Prevention Officer.  🙂   When time allows I'll try and reply to you on some of your points, give it a bit of perspective and balance, when the time allows. 

To everyone else, nice to see you've been enjoying the initial raft of preview coverage for the F28.  More to follow and some videos from us to give you more of an insight into the wonderful F28. Hopefully that will all help give you a more informed opinion on the aircraft and allow you to make your mind up on whether it's going to be for you or not.

US, on the X-Plane point, just to answer that for you.  You're right, Thranda are involved and that's where the problem lies.  They have to be invested too, it has to make commercial sense for them (and us) to undertake the work involved.  In an ideal world all our XP11 offerings would be made ready for 12 immediately. It's never that simple though.  So initially we managed to get the work required done on that initial batch of six a/c done and up and flying in 12. That's six aircraft, possibly more than a number of other devs?  And the others aren't forgotten but it's not just a simple task of notifying Thranda of the work required and that gets done. They're aware of what's required but other things and priorities, that will keep them in business, are in the way and those other a/c, in the main, require more complex work.  So suggesting it's sad because Thranda are to do the work and not us makes no sense, sorry. 

We and they are aware and the work is on the radar, but it needs further discussion and planning as to the feasibility of the continued workload.  That's as clear as I can be at this point.  Thank you.
 

Edited July 10, 20232 yr by JustFlightScott

Nice attention to detail, what looks to be a fairly comprehensive modeling of systems, a cabin with nice functionality + a comprehensive manual, including a tutorial flight - and people are crying about the cost.

What's going to hold sales back is that you have to navigate the old fashioned way. 

Edited July 10, 20232 yr by Ricardo41

17 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

What's going to hold sales back is that you have to navigate the old fashioned way. 

Or do you? I'm assuming (ie hoping/praying) that if you install the gps it'll track the line?

1 hour ago, JustFlightScott said:

Quite the one man crusade you've been waging against us over the weekend US, thanks for that, you've become our very own Sales Prevention Officer.  🙂   When time allows I'll try and reply to you on some of your points, give it a bit of perspective and balance, when the time allows. 

Hi Scott,

UrgentSiesta kept replying over the week-end, but he was not the only one thinking the asking price for the F28 was too steep for many of us, here on Avsim, FS elite, MSFS forum, simmers around me, etc...

I have to be honest the A300B4 looks a lot more exciting for me, your plan to implement the old scool INS is awesome. On the other hand The F28 or F70-100, were quite interesting during the previews and even if they are not really my favorite kind of aircraft, old school regional, I wanted to buy it out of curiosity.

Would have been cool, to have a 40ish $ for a single popular variant and the rest in a bundle for 10-15$. That would be an insta buy for me, as well as many people.

 

 

16 minutes ago, bendead said:

Hi Scott,

UrgentSiesta kept replying over the week-end, but he was not the only one thinking the asking price for the F28 was too steep for many of us, here on Avsim, FS elite, MSFS forum, simmers around me, etc...

I have to be honest the A300B4 looks a lot more exciting for me, your plan to implement the old scool INS is awesome. On the other hand The F28 or F70-100, were quite interesting during the previews and even if they are not really my favorite kind of aircraft, old school regional, I wanted to buy it out of curiosity.

Would have been cool, to have a 40ish $ for a single popular variant and the rest in a bundle for 10-15$. That would be an insta buy for me, as well as many people.

Why is it that an aircraft that doesn't interest certain people should have their prices lowered, but when an aircraft they're interested in does come around, there's no questions about it's price.

I keep seeing this response and I think it's pretty unfair to JF. This is an aircraft that doesn't particularly interest you, so you're hesitant to pay the "steep" price, but you'd be more receptive if it was a lot cheaper solely because it doesn't particularly interest you but, why not, if only it were cheaper. Kind of like buying a candy cause it's on sale, not because you wanted it but, because why not, you're curious and it's not a big expense.

How is it fair to JF, that they should put their aircraft on the "Not interested, but I'll pick it up cause it's cheap" pile, even though it has all the deep simulation that the aircraft you're interested in at a similiar price point that you'll happily pay for?

It's funny because I see the Fenix, something that costs £50, an aircraft I'm not particularly interested in because I'm more preferential to task-heavy aircraft, however I'm not gonna ask Fenix to lower their prices simply cause I'm not too interested in it. That's not fair to them and their efforts and the same goes for JF.

 

Edited July 10, 20232 yr by Lucky38i

17 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Why is it that an aircraft that doesn't interest certain people should have their prices lowered, but when an aircraft they're interested in does come around, there's no questions about it's price.

I keep seeing this response and I think it's pretty unfair to JF. This is an aircraft that doesn't particularly interest you, so you're hesitant to pay the "steep" price, but you'd be more receptive if it was a lot cheaper solely because it doesn't particularly interest you but, why not, if only it were cheaper. Kind of like buying a candy cause it's on sale, not because you wanted it but, because why not, you're curious and it's not a big expense.

How is it fair to JF, that they should put their aircraft on the "Not interested, but I'll pick it up cause it's cheap" pile, even though it has all the deep simulation that the aircraft you're interested in at a similiar price point that you'll happily pay for?

It's funny because I see the Fenix, something that costs £50, an aircraft I'm not particularly interested in because I'm more preferential to task-heavy aircraft, however I'm not gonna ask Fenix to lower their prices simply cause I'm not too interested in it. That's not fair to them and their efforts and the same goes for JF.

 

Or….70 bucks is the price point at which JF makes money on their investment.  I just don’t understand.  
 

Many in the flight sim community need a cheaper hobby.  

I think it is an excellent price strategy - those who are hugely keen on flying an old Focker immediately and guys with much money buy it now for the high price. The others JF will catch at future sales. If the price would be lower, everybody would just pay the low price. 

 

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Or do you? I'm assuming (ie hoping/praying) that if you install the gps it'll track the line?

What gps? It says in the manual that you have to navigate VOR-VOR using the radios. 

6 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

What gps? It says in the manual that you have to navigate VOR-VOR using the radios. 

There is an optional GTN 530 that you can use to make the aircraft RNAV capable and later in the future a UNS-1 will also be an option.

26 minutes ago, bendead said:

Hi Scott,

UrgentSiesta kept replying over the week-end, but he was not the only one thinking the asking price for the F28 was too steep for many of us, here on Avsim, FS elite, MSFS forum, simmers around me, etc...

I have to be honest the A300B4 looks a lot more exciting for me, your plan to implement the old scool INS is awesome. On the other hand The F28 or F70-100, were quite interesting during the previews and even if they are not really my favorite kind of aircraft, old school regional, I wanted to buy it out of curiosity.

Would have been cool, to have a 40ish $ for a single popular variant and the rest in a bundle for 10-15$. That would be an insta buy for me, as well as many people.

 

 

Totally get it and we're well aware that there will be some people who question the pricing.  Done in a sensible, civil manner we can we'll try and engage in a polite manner back.  But I'm not overly keen on the tone used that might suggest we don't know what we're doing, we're not changing our marketing strategies, we're getting it wrong when others are getting it right.  All of that is very cheap and without firm evidence. It's an opinion but is rarely accurate but we're put in a position where we can't really win over that kind of person. We've been in the business for around 28 years now, made many sensitive decisions based on pricing and how add-ons are pitched and how to keep things fair for our customers but ensuring at the same time we look after the business to ensure we're all still here in 12 months time running Just Flight rather than seeking alternative employment.  The perception from some seems to be that we're not engaging in those practises, not doing our analysis and not basing our business plan on what we think is the right thing to do both commercially and for the community.  We've survived those 28 years and we've thrived at times when others have suffered or even fallen. We hope we've offered the community great value and a fair and good service along the way. It seems many many consumers get that and see that we're making a real good fist of things and have some stonking good add-ons out there and more, many more on the horizon.  To attain that quality and to be able to offer what we offer there has to be a fair price to pay because we have bills and services and staff to pay. The balancing act is a precarious one and it's tough but rest assured every product receives a solid ROI plan before anything  then gets commissioned. The product selection, the spec of the product , how it's pitched, what the appeal might be, the pricing, all gets the tightest attention and discussion groups internally and we'll arrive at a plan that we believe will work best for all but we'll always be aware that there will be detractors, those who don't see the logic, think it's too expensive, think the product selection was wrong.  We simply can't appeal to absolutely everyone and get it right for everyone all of the time.  We just have to accept that.

In this instance, yes maybe what you're suggesting might well have prompted you to buy it at the cheaper price but others will have then had an issue with that and asked why we can't just put it all together for one price. 'Please keep it simpler Just Flight'.  Also the vast majority of the work on a title like this comes with the overall coding, graphics, systems etc etc.  The other variants only really change due to length, wingspan etc so for this a/c yes you're getting four variants but if there was just the one variant the price would be right up there where it is currently, so the more standard approach for pricing for this one was deemed the most suitable method.  And finally when splitting these products up, we have experience there too remember, it makes for more logistical work and can be tricky when supplying the products to MS for the Marketplace (can't do bundles etc) so keeping everything a bit simpler can work better for everyone.  That said not ruling it out going forward, we have some titles where that model is better suited so could always happen there, we shall see.  I hope that helps, to a point anyway.

You do what you want to do Scott, which is how you come across and that's great. Take peace of mind that in the Sim Racing world people scream & shout at the cost of a DLC that comes with 2 brand new cars with external data direct from the teams and a laser scanned track all for the measly price of £10....!

As you say, you can't please everyone, unfortunately there will always be those willing to cry about the cost even if they have zero intention of buying the product in the first place!

Anyway good luck with the future, without you mod teams it would be a very empty sky in MSFS 🙂

As I stated earlier in this thread, I am so glad JustFlight is making a Fokker.  I can't wait to see that plane in VR; Thank you @JustFlightScott

PS - I also can't wait to get my hands on 146 Professional, Airbus 300B4 and BlackSquare Turbine Duke

 

 

 

States that GPS navigation is possible. But is it linked to the autopilot or do you just point it to follow the route? Still, I'm sold. Roll on Wednesday.

8 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

States that GPS navigation is possible. But is it linked to the autopilot or do you just point it to follow the route? Still, I'm sold. Roll on Wednesday.

Yes if you have the GNS530, then you use BEAM mode which will capture the lateral path from the GPS.

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