Just now, Lucky38i said:

Yes if you have the GNS530, then you use BEAM mode which will capture the lateral path from the GPS.

Excellent. Thanks for the clarification. 

8 hours ago, MarcG said:

This is completely false, watch and listen to Seb during the recent FSExp

How can a question be completely false?  @UrgentSiesta did provide an answer to the flight model query (thanks).  I will wait for a clarification from JF on whether the FM can/will be upgraded to the MSFS2024 model.  Although I enjoy MSFS2020 right now and have the JF TurboArrow, PDGM and C414, I think the flight models could use much improvement. 

Just now, oldflyguy70 said:

How can a question be completely false?  @UrgentSiesta did provide an answer to the flight model query (thanks).  I will wait for a clarification from JF on whether the FM can/will be upgraded to the MSFS2024 model.  Although I enjoy MSFS2020 right now and have the JF TurboArrow, PDGM and C414, I think the flight models could use much improvement. 

I was responding to the bold text, not the question. The fact remains that most, if not all mods will work in MSFS2024 out the box just as Seb alluded too at the Expo. There will be obviously new things aircraft modders can upgrade, again as Seb clearly stated.

So to say (and I quote you again) "And it seems that MSFS2024 will require a lot of re-working flight model-wise for MSFS2020 aircraft.  " is completely false information.

7 minutes ago, oldflyguy70 said:

How can a question be completely false?  @UrgentSiesta did provide an answer to the flight model query (thanks).  I will wait for a clarification from JF on whether the FM can/will be upgraded to the MSFS2024 model.  Although I enjoy MSFS2020 right now and have the JF TurboArrow, PDGM and C414, I think the flight models could use much improvement. 

All we're able to say at this point is that we'll hopefully only have a small amount of work to do to all of our add-ons to make them compatible for the updated version of MSFS (in this case  MSFS2024) and if that's the case they'll work fine and there won't be a charge from us for updating.  That has been the case for everything in the past where add-ons have been updated for new versions of each host sim platform.  We can't 100% guarantee this at the moment because we've not been seen anything of the new new sim, not the sim itself or the SDK.  The news about it being developed came out of the blue for us as it will have done for you and the community.  That's where we are currently.  Thanks.

It comes with 4 different variants, so each variant is effectively only 17,50 bucks --> sounds like a great deal to me. 

11 minutes ago, JustFlightScott said:

All we're able to say at this point is that we'll hopefully only have a small amount of work to do to all of our add-ons to make them compatible for the updated version of MSFS (in this case  MSFS2024) and if that's the case they'll work fine and there won't be a charge from us for updating.  That has been the case for everything in the past where add-ons have been updated for new versions of each host sim platform.  We can't 100% guarantee this at the moment because we've not been seen anything of the new new sim, not the sim itself or the SDK.  The news about it being developed came out of the blue for us as it will have done for you and the community.  That's where we are currently.  Thanks.

That's exactly what I wanted to hear.

6 hours ago, JustFlightScott said:

Quite the one man crusade you've been waging against us over the weekend US, thanks for that, you've become our very own Sales Prevention Officer.  🙂   When time allows I'll try and reply to you on some of your points, give it a bit of perspective and balance, when the time allows. 

To everyone else, nice to see you've been enjoying the initial raft of preview coverage for the F28.  More to follow and some videos from us to give you more of an insight into the wonderful F28. Hopefully that will all help give you a more informed opinion on the aircraft and allow you to make your mind up on whether it's going to be for you or not.

US, on the X-Plane point, just to answer that for you.  You're right, Thranda are involved and that's where the problem lies.  They have to be invested too, it has to make commercial sense for them (and us) to undertake the work involved.  In an ideal world all our XP11 offerings would be made ready for 12 immediately. It's never that simple though.  So initially we managed to get the work required done on that initial batch of six a/c done and up and flying in 12. That's six aircraft, possibly more than a number of other devs?  And the others aren't forgotten but it's not just a simple task of notifying Thranda of the work required and that gets done. They're aware of what's required but other things and priorities, that will keep them in business, are in the way and those other a/c, in the main, require more complex work.  So suggesting it's sad because Thranda are to do the work and not us makes no sense, sorry. 

We and they are aware and the work is on the radar, but it needs further discussion and planning as to the feasibility of the continued workload.  That's as clear as I can be at this point.  Thank you.
 

I appreciate the direct engagement, Scott.

And if you fully read my messages, you'll easily see that i'm not at all "against" you. Disagreeing with your pricing on a commodity airliner is far, far different than being a "sales prevention officer".

It's all there in black & white (along with many compliments to your work as a long term customer AND stated intent to continue purchasing any JF products - that present the right Value for Money).

It's called Constructive Criticism, Scott, and I frequently get it from my best clients. In my case, at least, it's valuable feedback that that I use to keep those same clients sending me a steady stream of $$$.

 

In re X-Plane, I don't honestly care what situation exists between you and Thranda.

What I care about is whether I can use my Just Flight addons in the new sim, and the answer to that is, "No." 

As it stands, over 75% of the X-Plane addons I own have XP v12 versions available. Of the remaining ~25%, guess who is the ONLY major developer responsible for the majority of the missing addons, by far?

You folks. Please make it right in a manner similar to the majority of the rest of the development community.

 

Like I said, I appreciate the direct engagement. And I look forward to further conversations.

34 minutes ago, MarcG said:

"And it seems that MSFS2024 will require a lot of re-working flight model-wise for MSFS2020 aircraft.  " is completely false information.

I wasn't intending to supply "information".  I definitely could have phrased my query better in regards to the flight model part though.  Still stand by it as a legitimate question.  And thanks very much @JustFlightScott for your reply!

Holy cow this thread is supposed to be excitement about a new addon release but man it got derailed so bad.  It should be locked imho.  

Congrats Justflight on this unique addon from me.

 

Edited July 10, 20232 yr by Skywolf

5 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Why is it that an aircraft that doesn't interest certain people should have their prices lowered, but when an aircraft they're interested in does come around, there's no questions about it's price.

I keep seeing this response and I think it's pretty unfair to JF. This is an aircraft that doesn't particularly interest you, so you're hesitant to pay the "steep" price, but you'd be more receptive if it was a lot cheaper solely because it doesn't particularly interest you but, why not, if only it were cheaper. Kind of like buying a candy cause it's on sale, not because you wanted it but, because why not, you're curious and it's not a big expense.

How is it fair to JF, that they should put their aircraft on the "Not interested, but I'll pick it up cause it's cheap" pile, even though it has all the deep simulation that the aircraft you're interested in at a similiar price point that you'll happily pay for?

It's funny because I see the Fenix, something that costs £50, an aircraft I'm not particularly interested in because I'm more preferential to task-heavy aircraft, however I'm not gonna ask Fenix to lower their prices simply cause I'm not too interested in it. That's not fair to them and their efforts and the same goes for JF.

 

You've not been absorbing the perspective very well, have you?

MS/Asobo have issued pricing guidelines since the beginning (notice how many high quality $20 airports we have now, when the majority used to sell for $30 - $40?).

MSFS has single handedly changed the market dynamics in favor of BOTH developers and consumers. Those devs that are following those guidelines are making MORE money (because they've said as much), AND we, the consumers, are paying LESS, all at the same time. And the cool thing is that I'm still spending the same overall amount of $$ in this hobby, so the devs aren't losing, either 🙂

And yet there's a few of you who actually want to keep paying old school prices - WHY?

I appreciate the historical high quality of Just Flight's work enough to tell them how my buying criteria have changed because of the new simulator's mass market business model.

There's plenty of competition now, and many of those competitors are delivering the same or greater quality at lower prices than JustFlight. 

Guess which devs are going to earn the most money under those circumstances?

Edited July 10, 20232 yr by UrgentSiesta

5 hours ago, Poppingcork said:

Many in the flight sim community need a cheaper hobby.  

Flight sim is by far the cheapest of my hobbies.

This plane looks awesome, while I prefer Fokkers turboprops, this one is definitely interesting!

28 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

What I care about is whether I can use my Just Flight addons in the new sim, and the answer to that is, "No." 

As it stands, over 75% of the X-Plane addons I own have XP v12 versions available. Of the remaining ~25%, guess who is the ONLY major developer responsible for the majority of the missing addons, by far?

 

If I understood what was said correctly it is difficult for them to justify the time and cost of updating everything for XP12 for such a trivially small number of users?  JF is a business and not a charity and has to swim with the tide.

17 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

And yet there's a few of you who actually want to keep paying old school prices - WHY?

When did I ever suggest that? All of my usage of examples have been with payware aircraft that exist within MSFS, but you continue to use deceptive or even outright lies about the price of other products. Fenix and PMDG for example ,have roughly the same price point as this aircraft, I've pointed that here out but you ignored that comment and continue to insist that Fenix is $60, it's not. You also use the much cheaper and less desired variants of the PMDG aircraft to try and push your bias.

I've pointed this out several times and you continue to use strawman argument and edge cases to convince yourself that a product that you don't have much interest for, should be priced at a lower rate than aircrafts that you do want. Even now you've moved the goalposts from using other aircraft as examples as pricing to now using scenery and dictating that Asobo has created a pricing guidelines, when Asobo have done no such this, it was simply a result  of the exponentially higher market and more newcomer developers to the scene that has lead to these more affordable pricing habits.

So yes, I have been absorbing the "perspective" quite clearly despite your unnecessary snark, however you continue to insist the pricing for this "generic twin airliner" should be made much more cheaper than the other examples you've used simply because you don't have an interest in it.

How many more goalposts are you going to move to? how many more strawman and diverging topics will you use to continue to ignore the main point that is, you don't care for this aircraft and so you want it at a cheaper price point?

Edited July 10, 20232 yr by Lucky38i

4 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

If I understood what was said correctly it is difficult for them to justify the time and cost of updating everything for XP12 for such a trivially small number of users?  JF is a business and not a charity and has to swim with the tide.

That perspective holds merit for a sim where the bottom's fallen out of the market (e.g., P3D).

However, XP v12 is, by all information available to us (including the Navigraph survey and first hand comments from developers on AvSim and elsewhere), positively thriving.

I can even understand if JF need to charge an upgrade fee for XP12 addons. I've paid a few of those for the best addons to keep flying them in XP, and JF is one of the devs where I'd be willing to consider reasonable fees to justify the work.