MSFS is a pain

[Noel]

2 minutes ago, MarcG said:

...on one forum, of which a vast majority of users don't ever visit let alone sign up too in order to vote in the first place! Sorry Noel but that polls "results" are pointless in the grand scheme of things, no matter how much you want to defend it. 🙂

Marc--the poll is what it is.  It was done 3 months after initial launch.  It states of those responding, 88% had no problems.  Is it a complete picture of the state currently?  Of course not.  But it's common as stated for people who have had problems to want to voice them.  Do you think people who saw that poll and had troubles simply decided not to vote?  Of course not they are very likely to be more driven to vote than people w/o issues.  Why do you think 88% of voters voted the way they did?  Were they lying to protect MS??

[Dominique_K]

45 minutes ago, Noel said:

88% said no problems my friend nothing rubbish about that.  Of course it's incomplete, but it says what it says.

You obviously don't have the faintest idea of what a poll is 🤣

[Noel]

1 minute ago, Dominique_K said:

You obviously don't have the faintest idea of what a poll is 🤣

And you obviously don't have the faintest idea to take out of a simple poll what can be taken out.  It's completely valid for what it is.  You just don't like what it says because it doesn't fit your anecdotally supported position.

[Lucky38i]

Nvm

Edited August 1, 2023 by Lucky38i

[Aglos77]

Historically, the game has had many problems, the worst of which have been random problems.  From the classic disconnections and the No CD to performance problems with very powerful computers, CDTs, etc. 

For me the game was a pain until I saw some tricks on YouTube where playing the registry made it look like a new game without stuttering.  Of course all this is a lottery, there are people who have never had problems and others who have suffered a lot. 

 

[Noel]

9 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

The team has acknowledged that huge portions of the planet have been replaced by offline textures because of a LOD issue in the images

What's an "LOD issue in the images"?  I can see them doing this if growth in users overcame server capacity to deliver, but "LOD issues in the images" is hard to connect to the idea of server over-demand.

[MarcG]

3 hours ago, Noel said:

Marc--the poll is what it is.  It was done 3 months after initial launch.  It states of those responding, 88% had no problems.  Is it a complete picture of the state currently?  Of course not.  But it's common as stated for people who have had problems to want to voice them.  Do you think people who saw that poll and had troubles simply decided not to vote?  Of course not they are very likely to be more driven to vote than people w/o issues.  Why do you think 88% of voters voted the way they did?  Were they lying to protect MS??

Come back when you do a poll with 58,000 votes 😉

[Noel]

26 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Come back when you do a poll with 58,000 votes 😉

Can't answer they question I posed can you?  58K vote poll you'd dismiss because it wasn't 12 million.   Since you're basing your opinion on pure anecdote, here are some choice anecdotes for you:

"I have bought a new computer and am attempting to reinstall all my stuff but having a problem trying to redownload MSFS. I downloadedSteam and can log into my account ok but can't find MSFS to re-download..."

"Why are not moreSteam users aware of Webhelper.exe causing the sim to stutter every 60 seconds."

"I've been trying to connect toSteam most of the day, and continually get a problem withSteam Cloud. It won't synchronize MSFS, telling me that there's aSteam cloud error"

"...it immediately redirects me toSteam to purchase Flight Sim credit. I don't want to use money from mySteam account, when I have credits on the MS account! Is there any way to change how these purchases are funded or am I stuck with £25 in my MS account I can't use"

"Hello everyone I have just reinstalled MSFS latest version bysteam and have the following problem. 1. The install was to my E drive into a folder called MSFS2020 When I open this folder MSFS2020 inside I have 2 folders a Community Folder and an Official Folder."

"I bought FSX2020 throughSteam and now have a new computer. What surprised me was the long download. I did not have that with the old computer. But now a completely different problem. The game starts, but I have only two aircraft. The flight school is completely gray, I can not select anything."

"The nightmare before Christmas - MSFS Steam edition".....I have thesteam edition When I run the game I'm shortly presented with a black screen. Flight simulator is showing as running on mysteam client and on my taskbar ..."

"Steam today started a new install for some reason? I had 150 on the original. Anybody else see this?"

"Steam install not working...

"Steam Folder Structure - does it need to be so complicated?..."

There are lots more and my point is Steam is not without its issues.  

 

[wim123]

8 hours ago, Peter Webber said:

I don't know where you are located, but the strippers in my area do not have "smooth butts"!

psst dont use a magnifying glass.

[sd_flyer]

This forum needs LOL

[sonny147]

love strippers , like marriage without the bill lol , this thread is going to get pulled for sure lol

[timers15]

I have the Xbox store version too.  It's erased itself multiple times. I think all the tinkering I do triggers a "configuration has changed too much". I've seriously considered buying it on Steam to see if that's better.  Also, Steam lets you back up the content. Which worked for all the other games last time I exploded my games disk.

Even a disk level backup won't save MSFS.  Once the store has decided you've exceeded a DRM limit it's done.  I think it actually removes the files too.

 

[F737MAX]

5 hours ago, Noel said:

my point is Steam is not without its issues.

Who said that it didn't?

Some of us are saying that rather than it being an "urban myth", the MS Store version was/remains far more problematic than the Steam version.

A small selection of MS Store version issues:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/fs-re-installation-fails-with-code-0x800701b1-on-windows-ms-store-version/466712

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs2020-ms-store-version-ctd-when-installing/600204

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ms-store-version-get-loading-splash-screen-then-closes-to-desktop/574870

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ms-store-version-will-not-start-nothing-happens-when-i-click-play-windows-11/567789

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/xbox-app-install-for-ms-store-version-fails/510289

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/how-to-uninstall-store-version/465083

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs-not-responding-freezing-on-loading-and-world-map-scene-microsoft-store-version/480964

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ms-store-version-needs-permission-to-access-internet-3-times-each-time-i-start-how-to-add-a-firewall-exception-to-nis/468553

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/move-over-controller-settings-from-microsoft-store-to-steam-version/511749

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/i-need-to-get-rid-of-ms-store-i-want-the-steam-version-of-the-game/469814/

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/i-had-to-reset-windows-and-then-reinstall-msfs-but-instead-of-loading-the-store-msfs-it-creates-an-xbox-folder-version/540302/

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ctd-after-checking-for-updates/437564/

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/checking-for-updates-screen-stuck/390665

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/keep-crashing-for-no-reason/453861

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/cant-get-past-checking-for-updates-screen/449191

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/big-internet-connction-bug-connect-to-internet-and-it-disconnects-minutes-after/457296

And one from not a million miles away or eons ago:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/636574-flight-simulator-wont-load-again/

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by F737MAX

[Noel]

4 hours ago, F737MAX said:

Who said that it didn't?

Some of us are saying that rather than it being an "urban myth", the MS Store version was/remains far more problematic than the Steam version.

A small selection of MS Store version issues:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/fs-re-installation-fails-with-code-0x800701b1-on-windows-ms-store-version/466712

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs2020-ms-store-version-ctd-when-installing/600204

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ms-store-version-get-loading-splash-screen-then-closes-to-desktop/574870

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ms-store-version-will-not-start-nothing-happens-when-i-click-play-windows-11/567789

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/xbox-app-install-for-ms-store-version-fails/510289

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/how-to-uninstall-store-version/465083

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs-not-responding-freezing-on-loading-and-world-map-scene-microsoft-store-version/480964

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ms-store-version-needs-permission-to-access-internet-3-times-each-time-i-start-how-to-add-a-firewall-exception-to-nis/468553

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/move-over-controller-settings-from-microsoft-store-to-steam-version/511749

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/i-need-to-get-rid-of-ms-store-i-want-the-steam-version-of-the-game/469814/

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/i-had-to-reset-windows-and-then-reinstall-msfs-but-instead-of-loading-the-store-msfs-it-creates-an-xbox-folder-version/540302/

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ctd-after-checking-for-updates/437564/

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/checking-for-updates-screen-stuck/390665

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/keep-crashing-for-no-reason/453861

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/cant-get-past-checking-for-updates-screen/449191

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/big-internet-connction-bug-connect-to-internet-and-it-disconnects-minutes-after/457296

And one from not a million miles away or eons ago:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/636574-flight-simulator-wont-load-again/

 

This is also affected by numbers of users and my guess is there are many more store users than steam versions.  Putting another piece of software between client and source de facto adds a level of complexity.  I'm not the brightest bulb in the tech world and I've had no trouble with it because I learned how to use the Store early on.  I agree it could have been clearer, but the vast majority of Store users got around that despite it.  I agree my characterization as urban myth was over the top but to characterize the Store install as problem prone is also over the top.

[Dreamflight767]

This sim is definitely frustrating.  It's been out how long now and I still can't do a flight over 4.5 hours.