1 hour ago, cowpatz said:

Does FG give a noticeable visual difference or just show a higher FPS? Does it struggle with rapid view panning?

I have the same GPU and am considering giving it a go. Has you noticed any significant increase in VRAM usage?

I use DX12, DLSS over TAA and frame generation with an rtx2070 and it gives significant performance benefits.

The sim is smooth and relatively stutter free.

I also use TrackIr and have no tearing issues. Running a 32” 1440 screen.

I have a nVidia 1660ti and use DX11 with TAA.  I tried DX12 and also DLSS and they didn't work as well.  I figured those were for the high end cards.  I determined the frame generation was also for the high end, so I've never tried it. 

Plain vanilla and enjoying every minute of it,

Roy

4 hours ago, cowpatz said:

Does FG give a noticeable visual difference or just show a higher FPS? Does it struggle with rapid view panning?

I have the same GPU and am considering giving it a go. Has you noticed any significant increase in VRAM usage?

Yes increase vram in dx12.  As long as you have say, 30 fps before using frame gen, the panning is ultra smooth.  Sometimes I fly into JFK area and with tons of add-ons even frame gen can't save me hahaha.

I run FG all the time.  Haven't turned it off since I got the card.

In short. You should be using DX12 with your 2080ti and using the frame generation mod (I have updated to the latest DLSS as well) and the AutoFPS mod.

AND....if you have Gsync....you'll be in for a really good treat.

Install something to monitor the power consumption, see how much it consumes running dx11. Then switch to dx12, lock your max fps through Nvidia app, my monitor is 60 Hz so i set 62 fps. You will be surprised about how much less watts it will consume maintaing the same performance. My RTX 2070 went from 140 W to 70 W, that will help with energy bills a lot.

On 5/24/2024 at 7:15 PM, Silicus said:

I might sound like an word not allowed, but why don't you try the difference for yourself and see what works best for YOUR machine and YOUR eyes.

DX12 is a newer 'technology', but that does not mean it will benefit you on older cards.

 

 

Why are so many people in our community like this?

 

Why? You saw via the title of the OP that they were looking for a simple explanation of a tech question. 

 

Calling them a dummy and to "go figure it out yourself" is just being a big ol goofy wind bag. 

 

Consider, just for once, approaching a conversation with kindness first, then changing up if it turns out they're being obtuse or pedantic. The flight sim community really appeals to folks who have limited knowledge of the "latest tech".  

 

I know that's hard to understand, but a lot of people just wanna system they can fly a plane on. They look to people like you for help.

 

Just help them. Don't be a dink. 

13 hours ago, Aeronildo said:

Install something to monitor the power consumption, see how much it consumes running dx11. Then switch to dx12, lock your max fps through Nvidia app, my monitor is 60 Hz so i set 62 fps. You will be surprised about how much less watts it will consume maintaing the same performance. My RTX 2070 went from 140 W to 70 W, that will help with energy bills a lot.

I hear that over and over again, but do the maths. Even in Brazil, reducing the power draw 70W does not make a hell of a difference, unless you are using your sim ridiculously often. But even then, lets assume you run your rig for 4h a day, every day. You end up with a total of roughly 1500h a year. Times 70W gives you 105kWh you can safe up using a frame limiter. And you pay what in Brazil? 15 cent per kWh? Then you save a whopping 16$ per year by limiting your FPS and saving 70W on your GPU. 16$...

6 hours ago, AnkH said:

I hear that over and over again, but do the maths. Even in Brazil, reducing the power draw 70W does not make a hell of a difference, unless you are using your sim ridiculously often. But even then, lets assume you run your rig for 4h a day, every day. You end up with a total of roughly 1500h a year. Times 70W gives you 105kWh you can safe up using a frame limiter. And you pay what in Brazil? 15 cent per kWh? Then you save a whopping 16$ per year by limiting your FPS and saving 70W on your GPU. 16$...

i pay 78 cent per kwh.

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by Aeronildo

23 minutes ago, Aeronildo said:

i pay 78 cent per kwh.

Which makes 82$ a year. If, and only if you come close to 4h a day, every day. Which is a tremendous amount of MSFS time to me. Personally, I am already happy to have 4h a week. Verdict stays the same: unless you use your sim extensively throughout the year, reducing power consumption by 70W is just not worth the hassle because of the cost. Because of heat is something else, I also locked my 4080 to 1.000V resulting in 30-40W lower power draw and yet no difference in performance, because it still reaches the same clock speeds (2775MHz). 

2 minutes ago, AnkH said:

reducing power consumption by 70W is just not worth the hassle because of the cost.

Plus, I don't think too many people running a modern PC with the latest CPU and GPU tech worry much about electrical consumption or heat. It's like buying a V12 super car and worrying about fuel consumption. 🙂

 

I have a pretty good system with a 4070 card and still cant use DX12.

Tried to figure it out and just gave up. So many possibilities with MSFS and everything else the problem could be anywhere.

I made the mistake of updating my video drivers 2 days ago and MSFS went berserk. Back to older version and everything is fine again.

As others have mentioned, no reason not to give it a go. Real easy to revert back to DX11 if it does not work in your favour.

13 hours ago, JughedJones said:

Calling them a dummy and to "go figure it out yourself" is just being a big ol goofy wind bag. 

? He never said anything of the sort.

Since switching to DX12 is a single click away it would seem a reasonable suggestion.

Technical explanations are all very well but the fact is we’ve seen time and time again that there is no single way or method to make improvements in MSFS. There are plenty of options available. I use DX12 exclusively because on my ancient, weak system it works very well. 
In this same thread we have people with much more advanced systems saying DX12 does not work for them.

DX12 is surely a case of suck it and see…

3 hours ago, AnkH said:

Which makes 82$ a year. If, and only if you come close to 4h a day, every day. Which is a tremendous amount of MSFS time to me.

But that is twenty five cents every day !  A whole penny an hour!

 

15 hours ago, JughedJones said:

 

 

Why are so many people in our community like this?

 

Why? You saw via the title of the OP that they were looking for a simple explanation of a tech question. 

 

Calling them a dummy and to "go figure it out yourself" is just being a big ol goofy wind bag. 

 

Consider, just for once, approaching a conversation with kindness first, then changing up if it turns out they're being obtuse or pedantic. The flight sim community really appeals to folks who have limited knowledge of the "latest tech".  

 

I know that's hard to understand, but a lot of people just wanna system they can fly a plane on. They look to people like you for help.

 

Just help them. Don't be a dink. 

What are you talking about? He called no one a dummy and offered a perfectly reasonable suggestion, 'just try it and see what works best for you.'

Another question is, if the Loss Less Scaling frame generation app works with DX11, is there any reason to use DX12. I get much better results with LLS...no flickering in menus like FG. Worth the $6.00 dollars to me.