@tfmI've watched the A330Driver 777 full flight and he showed how the 777 LNAV was able to fly turns on 4x sim-rate (!) and it never deviated more off course than 0.1. That's certainly something the 737 is not able to do.

Also they publicly stated they switechd onto the new navdata format for the 777.


 

Edited June 23, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

3 hours ago, V1ROTA7E said:

This may be unpopular, but honestly who cares about this forum melodrama. They’re trying to make a living, we’re excited about their work. Calling folks by name is ridiculous….they have very little to do with your actual life. As gamers say, “touch grass.”

Yeah and this attitude only exist on the internet (tough guys) as I can assure you developers (reps) with this attitude would not sit well in the real world. You would face a  not so positive situation in no respectful manner in such a way to a paying customer as MK is acting . I will leave it at that.

Edited June 23, 20241 yr by JBDB-MD80

What I'm a little surprised about is why the EFB wasn't integrated as nicely as in the P3D version.
I don't think the tablet is a particularly good solution.
Or is there an option to have it like in the P3D version.
Otherwise, I'll test the plane myself from Wednesday and see what it's like.
I love the 777, it's the only long-haul plane I fly.

46 minutes ago, _Airbus_Fan_ said:

What I'm a little surprised about is why the EFB wasn't integrated as nicely as in the P3D version.
I don't think the tablet is a particularly good solution.

IIRC one reason given was a lot of airlines actually don't use the built in EFB.

But also having a unified tablet between PMDG products is also good.

Edited June 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/303794-23jun24-t-2-and-counting-all-systems-go

Captains,

Just a quick check in with you to say hello and let you know that we had a release gateway meeting on 22JUN24/18Z to do a Go/No-Go evaluation on release.

Currently all systems are go for launch of the PMDG 777-300ER on 25JUN24 as previously briefed.

A couple of important briefing points that I want to make you aware of as we roll into release week:

-> WE COULD STILL DELAY RELEASE: This is always our option and I am unafraid to take it if needed. It is not unlike a V1 call when V1 and Rotation speeds are on top of one another. Up to the moment of release, I could still make a decision to put a hold on release if some reason to do so were to present itself. Currently, there is one item we have been working to find/cure since SU15 released- and with help from Asobo, we have beat it into a dark corner- but we are having a hard time confirming that the issue is fully resolved because it is hard to trigger and even harder to track. We are comfortable with the risk factors currently presented and unless some data changes over the next two days, we do not anticipate holding the launch for this issue.

-> OMG SOMEONE SAW SOMETHING NOT QUITE RIGHT ON THE INTERNET We have released the airplane to streamers and also released our testers and consultants from their NDA restrictions against public display. This is an impossibly complex simulation of a highly complex machine- and we fully anticipate there will be some items that need further attention once it releases. We did not place any restrictions on the streamers and they are showing you a good, well rounded look at our work. We are seeing feedback on some items that will be evaluated- and ***as with every PMDG product ever released*** we anticipate a few years of further adaptation, tweaking and tuning based upon any areas we feel may need further attention once the simulation is in the wild. So if something isn't quite perfect- please don't fling yourself off a cliff in grief, or you'll be dead when we issue a fix for it in some weeks... because that is the natural progression for a PMDG product. (It is what you pay for... we don't make one-and-done products- we keep toiling away until it passes our expectations!)

-> WHAT TIME WHAT TIME WHAT TIME WHAT TIME?: I don't know. We'll see how we all feel when we have our normal release day polling for risks and such.

-> HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?: A bit more than a boxed lunch in coach, significantly less than a real 777.

-> WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES?: We are planning one more build to our testers for Sunday evening, then we are done with v2.0. We have a few more gateway meetings as we are constantly bringing in feedback from our testers to ensure we don't leave any stone un-turned looking for trouble. Provided none of the issues brought up have a high risk factor for negatively impacting customer experience, we intend to keep moving things toward launch.

I hope all of you who have attended FSExpo have enjoyed themselves. We are all sorry to have missed out on the fun, As you can probably guess, it was best to have the core of the team static, in position, and able to support the pending release. We had hoped it wouldn't slide into Expo weekend... but here we are.

Okay- I have more data evaluation to get back to- and some other fun stuff. See you all tomorrow!
 

Squirrel did a 10 hour livestream with 600ish live viewers and 20,000 views on the VOD. It didn't fall out of the sky and it was all very nice. Think its gonna be ok... But melodrama is the lifeblood of the the internet and thats why we all eat it up, wheather we admit to it or not!

He had the nose down input issue. That PMDG are looking into. Interestingly some of the usual PMDG fans were questioning Blackbox711 trying to blame his hardware for the issue when RSR stepped in and told them to quit it.

Edited June 24, 20241 yr by carlanthony24

9 hours ago, roi1862 said:

The guy is on about this : but its still cant do one smooth turn during cruise. Still doing the the turn-level- turn while exceeding 15 degrees of bank angle. 

I have not looked closely at the turn performance in any of the streams I have seen, but a real aircraft autopilot will not necessarily turn at a constant bank angle - especially if there is any significant wind affecting the aircraft in flight. This is especially true when flying a curved RNP-AR procedure where adhering closely to a precise path over the ground is of critical importance. 

A simple course change at cruise altitude and airspeed will usually be performed at a pretty constant bank angle - unless the amount of course change is significant coupled with a strong crosswind.

I’m not going to make any judgements about LNAV until I have the aircraft on my own computer to test it myself.

Edit: I just watched Squirrel’s video from the point of takeoff through initial climb. The aircraft did a 120 degree left turn under autopilot LNAV control and the turn was absolutely smooth with no bank angle changes whatsoever.

Edited June 24, 20241 yr by JRBarrett

7 hours ago, _Airbus_Fan_ said:

What I'm a little surprised about is why the EFB wasn't integrated as nicely as in the P3D version.
I don't think the tablet is a particularly good solution.
Or is there an option to have it like in the P3D version.
Otherwise, I'll test the plane myself from Wednesday and see what it's like.
I love the 777, it's the only long-haul plane I fly.

Fully integrated EFBs that interface directly with aircraft systems are falling by the wayside in r/w airline operations. In many cases because of parts obsolescence. Tablet-based EFBs are becoming more and more the standard.

Looks like the pitch issue Blackbox711 hit has been fixed in latest builds per Mathijs: https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020-2024-products-discussion/pmdg-777/general-discussion-aa/303588-blackbox711-is-testing-pitch-sensitivity-on-final-approach?p=304139#post304139
 

On 6/21/2024 at 7:22 PM, Mike T said:

Interestingly enough at one point Simmers were angry because you could not hear the APU sounds. You cannot hear the APU sound from the flight deck. But that's what they knew. Some developers even put the sounds in just to make people happy even though it was totally wrong. Then simmers were angry that the engine sounds were too soft, because they were used to hearing them from the vantage point of sitting on the wing. I am a Diamond Delta Medallion flier and generally sit in first class, and its VERY quiet up there, and the further the front cabin is from the wing the quieter it is. The last time I was in a cockpit jumpseat was in a Continental A300 (word not allowed I'm old) and I was amazed how quiet it was up there almost strangely so. PMDG usually puts microphones in the flightdeck so unless they DIDN'T do that with the 777 unfortunately, what you hear is what it is. You just have to unlearn what you think you hear when sitting in the cabin vs what a pilot hears with the door closed way up front, away from those big GE90 turbofans on the flightdeck. 

You may be right as far as a 777 but overall I think it depends on aircraft type.  For example, I fly on Hawaiian Airlines in first class (to and from the west coast) on their A330-200s with RR engines....and guess what, those engines are loud during departure up to about 10,000ft and they are loud during touchdown when in reverse.

14 hours ago, Andrew2448 said:

No that's all there, not sure what this guy is going on about. Looks fine for me and the real world pilots that have been reviewing it have been complimentary from what I've seen.

Phew!😮‍💨 

14 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

@tfmI've watched the A330Driver 777 full flight and he showed how the 777 LNAV was able to fly turns on 4x sim-rate (!) and it never deviated more off course than 0.1. That's certainly something the 737 is not able to do.

Also they publicly stated they switechd onto the new navdata format for the 777.


 

🤞 thanks !

Yeah it’s definitely not coming out on Tuesday lol. 
 

and to the guy saying you can’t hear the APU from the flight deck. You may not be able to hear the apu it’s self but you can hear the circulation of air if you have it running off of that source. 

Edited June 24, 20241 yr by UAL4life

This is a very informative stream from Filbert with a real world 777 pilot, for those who are unfamiliar or new to the aircraft..