9 hours ago, Andrew2448 said:

They are extremely high pitched, absolutely no bass audible what so ever

Being a sound person (it's in the name 🔊😎) I'm all about dat bass. Well, midrange and treble too you need a good mix but my input:

To HEAR all the frequencies in an addon /game /sim you need them to get to your audio replay device AND have and ARD (I just made that up) that is capable of playing them. 

I started off simming with cheapo pc using desktop speakers and of course it sounded like a fly in a tin can, albeit a rather FAT fly as I spent 50 quid on those drivers. 

Once I built my latest pc based home audio recording studio some 10 years back I ditched the Walmart 5.1 surround for pro audio sound card and monitors. 

RME UCX Fireface and Polk Audio ref monitors (600 bucks each) 

First test I did was NOT work but to load up my beloved PMDG MD11. 

Please note I cheated for this test. I borrowed my bass guitar cab and routed it as a temporary (good intentions..) sub woofer. 

The hairs on the back of my neck stiffened up as soon as I started to fire up those 3 engines. The bass... THE BASS!! 

😳😁😎

The room started shaking and anything not nailed down wobbled around I could feel it in my legs..... And butt! 

I may have had neighbor complaints in the future but meh they had barking dogs so we're even. I miss that sound! 

Fast forward to this year I'm in a different country for health reasons and all my gear is 1000s of miles away. I build a new PC get msfs spend a few quids on decent controllers and addons and my beloved pmdg 737 (well that's all the had on offer). 

Simming on a first gen panasonic 4k TV. Picture not bad, sound like a drunken medium weight bumble bee. NOT good enough. 

I pine for my audio gear in Florida. Sooo.. I persuade my brother to fly there for a week and book 3 extra check in cases for us, 5 total. 

We leave Orlando for Gatwick on return mistaken for a band touring the UK. Me with 3 guitar cases and 2 suitcases stuffed with half my studio. The COOL stuff. 

I excitedly plug my Fireface in. Instant smile. I left it running for 2 years alone but it's still fine. I go out and buy a quality 3.5mm stereo lead and 3.5 to 1/4 jack adapter. One end (the big one) goes in my RME. The little end in my Sony WH-1000XM4 headphones. I select the baby Boeing, the 736. 

The sound! 

OK the engines spooling up are not md11 house shakers but very nice bass response. Take off a lovely mix all frequencies, although a friend commented on the 737 sounding like an electric razor on takeoff. Well it DOES I guess. 

If you read this far we NOW get to the point: top of descent, retard throttles and... Oh my.. What's that... Vibration? Noise? Feeling? 

The bass coming from those 2 engines on spool down at tod is AMAZING. I don't impress either being a cynical old wna. 

I'm talking from cockpit of course. 

My long awaited point is that the bass IS often there IF the devs put it in. OR you know how to use an equaliser I guess. I'm confident that the t7 will have even beefier 'hidden' bass but I won't get to hear it due to reasons explained earlier. 

Great audio brings ok visuals to life for immersion imo. Not the other way round.

 

Anyone else feel rather disappointed by the previews so far?

Sounds are doubtful, MCP buttons look wrong, texturing not great, inaccurate fonts on the FMC...

Maybe my expectations were too high.

6 minutes ago, thepilot said:

MCP buttons look wrong, texturing not great, inaccurate fonts on the FMC...

Where is this coming from now? Did an actual 777 pilot say this or are people looking at compressed live streams and random photos to conclude the buttons are wrong?

2 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

Where is this coming from now? Did an actual 777 pilot say this or are people looking at compressed live streams and random photos to conclude the buttons are wrong?

For me, it's the FSX version, where they looked right to me.

Really disappointed with the sounds. 

 

14 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

Really disappointed with the sounds. 

Yep, they're much worse than the P3D version. Sounds have never been PMDG's strength but how they're actually getting worse at making them sure is interesting. 

4 minutes ago, chapstick said:

Yep, they're much worse than the P3D version. Sounds have never been PMDG's strength but how they're actually getting worse at making them sure is interesting. 

Indeed, even from the FSX version (same engine I guess) I remember them as very accurate and pleasant... the GE90 just sounds so fabulous. I have to say I quite like the NG3 sounds, though. Maybe their sound engineer has changed in the meantime? Should have approached Boris Audio Works.

Yeah I went to look at some RL take off videos on YouTube and I have to admit, the sound of the climate control air blowing into the cockpit overpowers the sound of the engines. You barely hear them. It is so sad that the ignorance of the flight sim community is demanding inaccuracies from the devs.

Oh well.. cant please everyone.

After seeing a the system depth on offer this is a day one purchase for me.

And thanks @Steve Dra for the previews .. Please keep em coming !

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by Maxis

2 hours ago, threexgreen said:

What is the evaluation of the sound even based on? Live streams are rarely, if ever, suitable to rate sounds. The sim sound is often way too quiet under the streamers voice and even when they stop talking it's really quiet. I didn't discern anything negative with regards to the sounds in the stream I watched, but I can't come to a verdict anyway since it didn't do the sounds justice in terms of volume.

Point is, I've never watched a flight sim stream that made it possible to properly rate sounds.

 

in fairness I thought the PMDG 777 sounds were poor in p3d.  I see no reason to suggest they will be better.  Good news is it looks like we will be able to replace them eventually. 

Well, I'm pretty sure the aircraft in my personal hands will look and sound a lot better than they do in these crazy streams with artifacts all over the place and objects popping in and popping out as views change and an audio quality that is absolutely word not allowed. I can't even tell if some of these streamers are speaking English even with subtitles on ( I exaggerate, but you know what I mean when you see the subtitles mashed up) . So how on earth anyone can make an assessment about PMDG's latest offering in terms of visual and sound, is beyond me.  The streaming quality is mostly rubbish.

But what bothers even more is that some of these streamers literally have no clue what they are doing in a complex aircraft such as the T7. This is not the  'ACME Flight Simulations puddle jumping Funster aircraft'. You can't just plop your backside in the seat and proceed to tell everybody about it as if you are some sort of authority.  They do the aircraft and PMDG a disservice when they try to make up excuses such as "Oh it's in beta, I'm sure that'll be fixed at release" or, "Oh it shouldn't do that but we'll come back to that later",  when in reality it's obvious they have no idea what they're doing and would need to do a month of study before they did. 

My questions are, why doesn't PMDG ask a real T7 pilot to review it at least from PMDG's perspective. Yes it may be a little soft on PMDG but at least we'll get a much better insight into what is real and what is fantasy.  Is there any review by a real T7 pilot that I've missed? 

 

Cheers

Terry

   

1 hour ago, Konterhalbe said:

Well, a payware-quality sound package from Boris Audio Works will come with Bluebird's 757 by standard and no additional cost...

In a perfect world Boris would have done the 777 sounds, and they would have been free with the aircraft purchase.  But I'd much rather have the option to pay for better sounds, than no option at all

40 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Oh well.. cant please everyone.

After seeing a the system depth on offer this is a day one purchase for me.

And thanks @Steve Dra for the previews .. Please keep em coming !

Thanks...and I agree.   You can't please everyone, and you never will.  And since you asked....

Have many more...but don't want to flood the post.  I'll will have all these paints completed and uploaded as soon as I can.  Some will be ready on release, others as soon as I can get them finalized and uploaded.

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by Steve Dra

31 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

Well, I'm pretty sure the aircraft in my personal hands will look and sound a lot better than they do in these crazy streams with artifacts all over the place and objects popping in and popping out as views change and an audio quality that is absolutely word not allowed. I can't even tell if some of these streamers are speaking English even with subtitles on ( I exaggerate, but you know what I mean when you see the subtitles mashed up) . So how on earth anyone can make an assessment about PMDG's latest offering in terms of visual and sound, is beyond me.  The streaming quality is mostly rubbish.

I enjoyed the sounds of the PMDG 777 in P3D, and I would be very puzzled if they managed to get them to sound rubbish in MSFS. As Terry has indicated above, trying to determine graphical and audio quality from a YouTube video is generally not a good idea. I can hardly hear PMDG 737 engine sounds in many YT videos, and yet it sounds fine on my own PC.

What do you think of the sounds, Steve?

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by Christopher Low