10 minutes ago, Krakin said:

When I predicted default charts for 2024, I made the assumption based on MS claiming that the career mode would provide highly authentic experiences. Hearing Jorg say it was his idea and he did it because it was the right thing to do was highly encouraging! One thing it teaches us is that MS has the resources and the mindset to allow us as users to dream BIG. The fact that we're getting things hardly anyone expected is also an indicator that 2024 will disrupt the industry even more than 2020 did. November will be the start of something truly special.

We already know that vehicle traffic will be enhanced so I'm expecting more realistic behavior at the very least, with live traffic data dictating volume (not vehicle type) on the more wishful thinking end. Better looking roads will be a given with the new tech they are implementing. Considering how extremely detailed out in the middle of nowhere ground scenery looks, making convincing road networks should be light work for Azure AI. Good bridges will come in PG areas but I don't think it will happen across the board from launch.

I’m really hyped for the 2024 release, but I doubt it will be as disruptive as 2020 release was.
 

There were a conjunction of factors in place creating an environment of users wanting innovation. The old flight simulators were legging behind regarding technology. Every new release was just the same. 
 

This time MSFS is around. And it will the biggest competitor against 2024. 

2 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

My prediction for MS 2024 is that it will be delayed until 2025 when the likes of Fenix, PMDG and Leonardo will be compatible for  it and until then I will not be using it. SDK for MS2024 is not even ready yet and we are nearing August 2024.

I don't thing Fenix, PMDG etc. will have anything to do with it, but generally, I think you may be right.  50/50 I think. 
Either a 2025 release, or a 2024 release where it will be a case of 'that feature will now be coming later'.  Why is because of Asobo and all of the previous experience with them.  

Some of the usual boys on here might not like this comment, but I can only go by previous experience and what I have seen over the past four years.  What else can I use?   

I am not trying to be over-critical.  We all know that delivering a Flight Sim with all of the wanted bells and knobs is not an easy task,   And Microsoft are very demanding on what they want and when they would like it to be delivered. 
Asobo have continuously struggled to keep up with the demands, or to deliver them at the right quality.  I won't be shocked if it doesn't make it out this year, nor will I be overly disappointed.  

Duplicate.  The forum is really having a few hiccups lately!  

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

but I can only go by previous experience and what I have seen over the past four years.  What else can I use?

we can go by previous experience and what I have seen with the release of the current version of MSFS 2020, these predictions of MSFS2024 releasing only in 2025 may believe whoever pleases, I think this is complete nonsense considering past experience:

the MSFS2020 trailer was released on youtube on 9 June 2019. The "game" released on time on 18 August 2020, just as they said it would - more than a year earlier. 

"my prediction" for MSFS2024 release date is: it will release on the day Joerg said it would 19 November.  midnight sharp. and we all will be in Kiribati again that day. 🤣

Microsoft Flight Simulator - E3 2019 - Announce Trailer - 9 Jun 2019

 

what a wonderful comment of this youtube poster:

@JackBeal05, 2 years ago

"I remember watching this live and thinking "Oh wow thats Awesome". Now just under 3 years later I'm training In real life for My Private Pilots License and aiming to be an Airline pilot! This trailer quite literally changed my life"

Edited July 16, 20241 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

I don't thing Fenix, PMDG etc. will have anything to do with it, but generally, I think you may be right.  50/50 I think. 
Either a 2025 release, or a 2024 release where it will be a case of 'that feature will now be coming later'.  Why is because of Asobo and all of the previous experience with them.  

Some of the usual boys on here might not like this comment, but I can only go by previous experience and what I have seen over the past four years.  What else can I use?   

I am not trying to be over-critical.  We all know that delivering a Flight Sim with all of the wanted bells and knobs is not an easy task,   And Microsoft are very demanding on what they want and when they would like it to be delivered. 
Asobo have continuously struggled to keep up with the demands, or to deliver them at the right quality.  I won't be shocked if it doesn't make it out this year, nor will I be overly disappointed.  

There’s no doubt some features will be added later in the development cycle. It’s in their wishlists and roadmap. Sometimes it’s not really Asobo’s fault, but individual expectations.

About the release date, I don’t know why are you raising doubts about it releasing this year, the date is already settled. It is releasing the 11/19.

 

Edited July 16, 20241 yr by ca_metal

3 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

My prediction for MS 2024 is that it will be delayed until 2025 when the likes of Fenix, PMDG and Leonardo will be compatible for  it and until then I will not be using it. SDK for MS2024 is not even ready yet and we are nearing August 2024.

Doubt that.. the likes of Fenix, PMDG, and other add-ons are supposed to work with zero to minimal changes in order to maintain as-is functionality. It's only for enhancing them to take advantage of new MSFS 2024 features that non-trivial development effort will likely be required, and the SDK for 2024 be used, etc.

So perhaps "MSFS 2024 enhanced" versions of add-ons, i.e. where they take advantage of the new aircraft physics and more accurate/detailed aircraft geometry/surfaces definitions in these aircraft might take till 2025. Then again, given how Asobo are also aiming to make the development tools in the SDK easier to use, it might not take that long.. i.e. Seb mentioned how quickly (within an hour) he was able to transition the A330 fuselage/wings surfaces & geometry for the new aerodynamics/CFD system here at this timestamp: 
 

 

15 hours ago, Greazer said:

So the last time I wrote about the importance of having good Route Planning and Charts in the sim, by default. It was pleasing to watch the presentation and find that the powers that be at MS had the same vision and recognised how important that is. And not only that, what was presented was superb, because the App includes Fuel and Payload calcs all in the one integrated App, which is so much better than Navi.

So... based on everything I have seen and read, I have reached a high level of confidence to make a new prediction for FS2024. And that is ........ the road networks, highways, bridges and vehicles and animations etc are going to get a Major overhaul. And driving will actually be a "thing" in FS2024. Reasons include: (a) Proper roads and vehicle simulation adds a tonne of immersion (b) Current implementation is substandard (XP is better) (c) They have not demoed or said Anything about the Roads/Vehicles so far (d) The Banner from trailer: "The Sky is Not the Limit" (e) I expect some career jobs will require driving, such as Ground Operations etc.

So that's it. While I'm not 100% I am pretty close on this one.

You should change prediction to mean guess.

I wouldn't predict anything on rumors and speculation that abounds here on Avsim.

 

3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I don't thing Fenix, PMDG etc. will have anything to do with it, but generally, I think you may be right.  50/50 I think. 
Either a 2025 release, or a 2024 release where it will be a case of 'that feature will now be coming later'.  Why is because of Asobo and all of the previous experience with them.  

Some of the usual boys on here might not like this comment, but I can only go by previous experience and what I have seen over the past four years.  What else can I use?   

I am not trying to be over-critical.  We all know that delivering a Flight Sim with all of the wanted bells and knobs is not an easy task,   And Microsoft are very demanding on what they want and when they would like it to be delivered. 
Asobo have continuously struggled to keep up with the demands, or to deliver them at the right quality.  I won't be shocked if it doesn't make it out this year, nor will I be overly disappointed.  

Sorry but I meant I will not be using MS2024 until those products are full compatible with it. My bad for the confusion. I also think calling MS2024 so late in the year does not make much sense either so close to 2025.

Jorg said the SDK will be out for devs in September.

If it took Seb an hour to get the A330 up to scratch, I wouldn't worry because devs will get the SDK in September and get plenty of time to do what they need to do.

6 hours ago, ca_metal said:

This time MSFS is around. And it will the biggest competitor against 2024. 

There will be a mass exodus of 2020 users and I think 2024 will finally convince a lot of holdouts from the other sims.

6 hours ago, Krakin said:

If it took Seb an hour to get the A330 up to scratch, I wouldn't worry because devs will get the SDK in September and get plenty of time to do what they need to do.

There will be a mass exodus of 2020 users and I think 2024 will finally convince a lot of holdouts from the other sims.

That’s for sure. Most people will probably move, but you talked about “2024 being more disruptive than 2020 was”. I’m just saying it can’t be because the situation is completely different now. 
 

We can talk about the user base, the number of simmers prior to 2020 was 100s of times smaller (according to some developers like Randazzo), that was disruptive. 2024 might bring more people to the hobby, but probably not at this same rate.

We can talk about the engine of the simulator. We were using XP11 and P3D V5. I don’t need to say what Asobo brought to the table was clearly better (a lot, in every possible way). This time is more incremental than revolutionary (and I don’t say this in a negative way). 2024 is better and greater than anything we had so far, the gap between 2024 and 2020 is smaller than we had between 2020 and XP11/P3Dv5.

Final point is impact over 3rd party devs. We all remember how most 3rd devs were in shock when the new sim was announced. It was days before the FSExpo 2019. And that was pretty much the main subject in the event, and MS/Asobo wasn’t even attending the event. This time it’s been pretty smooth. Everything will be compatible, we can keep buying the add-ons because they should work on the new sim and so on. 
 

2024 will certainly be amazing, but it won’t be as revolutionary. And that’s a good thing IMO. And here I’m talking more about the impact over the community than how many new features or improvements the new sim will have.

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by ca_metal

17 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

My prediction for MS 2024 is that it will be delayed until 2025

That wouldn't be consistent with the title, and to be honest would look a bit silly.  So I think whatever happens, it'll happen this year.

The MSFS 2024 "platform" will be out in time. The problem, the most fundamental problem, will be the add-ons...

18 hours ago, ca_metal said:

I’m really hyped for the 2024 release, but I doubt it will be as disruptive as 2020 release was.

For one thing, there will be fewer loudmouths around to proclaim that MSFS 2024 will "fail", will be like "Microsoft Flight" and is "just for the Xbox-kiddies."

🤣

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by Ricardo41

On 7/16/2024 at 7:12 AM, psolk said:

Unless PG is fixed at ground level this will be an absolutely useless feature. (In my opinion) 

So, turn off PG (which affects only a minute fraction of the world's land area). Advances in road scenery for MS2024 would be "absolutely useless" only to those who fly near PG areas and insist on having PG on. To everybody else it may be seen as a major advance.