If I calibrated the Thrustmaster Airbus throttle quadrant for the A320, do I need to redo it for the A319 and A321?

39 minutes ago, BWBriscoe said:

If I calibrated the Thrustmaster Airbus throttle quadrant for the A320, do I need to redo it for the A319 and A321?

I didn’t have to.

4 hours ago, RNAVV19R said:

Must just be a coincidence that it only happens with Fenix products.

The floating behavior happens even when using autopilot, so it is clearly a flight model issue. One that many have noticed, including a real A320 pilot according to one of the comments:

 

In their latest posting on the Fenix site they admit this behaviour is a reality and are trying to address it, "We generally agree with the outlook that the aircraft is too floaty". So anyone ascribing this to fantasy is simply wrong.

25 minutes ago, Lenny777 said:

In their latest posting on the Fenix site they admit this behaviour is a reality and are trying to address it, "We generally agree with the outlook that the aircraft is too floaty". So anyone ascribing this to fantasy is simply wrong.

I pointed out this problem on their discord channel and here without results, finally they got it.

31 minutes ago, Lenny777 said:

In their latest posting on the Fenix site they admit this behaviour is a reality and are trying to address it, "We generally agree with the outlook that the aircraft is too floaty". So anyone ascribing this to fantasy is simply wrong.

Which has been addressed with the latest update "we’ve externalised the ground effect portion of the landing dynamics into our control. We now have reasonably granular control of how the aircraft behaves when it comes to the landing and flare portion of flight - and delivered an initial set of tuning. I eagerly await your feedback on it and we’ll make tweaks if needed."

I did a short flight in A319.

First of all I stand corrected, flaps bidding axis does work. I forgot I need to calibrate it in MCDU config page. Secondly, I did manual approach from 1000AGL, I haven't noticed any extra floating but GPWS didn't announce AGL altitude 100-30-20 and etc  (even thought I setup it to do so)

5 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

Which has been addressed with the latest update "we’ve externalised the ground effect portion of the landing dynamics into our control. We now have reasonably granular control of how the aircraft behaves when it comes to the landing and flare portion of flight - and delivered an initial set of tuning. I eagerly await your feedback on it and we’ll make tweaks if needed."

I did an ILS landing, no autoland, and it's floating again. It's difficult to explain, but I need to cut the power much more before "retard, retard", it's just a workaround. 

20 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

I did an ILS landing, no autoland, and it's floating again. It's difficult to explain, but I need to cut the power much more before "retard, retard", it's just a workaround. 

Not disputing that it's floaty, but keep in mind that you're not necessarily supposed to retard the thrust levers exactly at the "retard" callout. From the official Airbus guidance: "The 20 ft 'RETARD' auto callout is a reminder, not an order. The PF can retard the thrust levers earlier or later depending on the conditions."

The Fenix was extremely floaty in the first couple of years, but has become significantly better in the latest updates. Now you'll only float when you flare too early / too strongly, which is correct. That said, the *way* it floats is not correct, it's hard to explain, but it's definitely coupled to the ground effect and FLARE mode.

Whilst I do not have the Fenix A320, I reduce thrust to idle and start to flare in my PMDG 737-600 at 50 feet.

I reduce the throttles to idle at 30ft, and don't experiance this " Floaty " issue, some are reporting

Edited August 21, 20241 yr by Car147

53 minutes ago, martinboehme said:

Not disputing that it's floaty, but keep in mind that you're not necessarily supposed to retard the thrust levers exactly at the "retard" callout. From the official Airbus guidance: "The 20 ft 'RETARD' auto callout is a reminder, not an order. The PF can retard the thrust levers earlier or later depending on the conditions."

I know this perfectly, but the Fenix tends to "float" and my workaround is to cut the power much more before the "retard", if not it will be a longer landing with a longer flare.

39 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

The Fenix was extremely floaty in the first couple of years, but has become significantly better in the latest updates. Now you'll only float when you flare too early / too strongly, which is correct. That said, the *way* it floats is not correct, it's hard to explain, but it's definitely coupled to the ground effect and FLARE mode.

I mean that too, but sometimes it seems like a problem with the engines thrust. Anyway it's not a normal behaviour for a so heavy airplane. And no, I'm not flare too early or too strongly, and you can see the same behavior in ILS autoland. Normally a real A320 takes from 3 to 5 sec for the nose wheel touchdown, but the Fenix normally is going to 7/8 sec.

17 minutes ago, Car147 said:

I reduce the throttles to idle at 30ft, and don't experiance this " Floaty " issue, some are reporting

is it much more before the "retard" calling? the "retard" thing is not an order, but cutting the power should be in proximity of that in normal flight conditions.

Edited August 21, 20241 yr by Claudius_

20 hours ago, FNX_Dave said:

Drop us a ticket and we'll get everything smoothed out for you. https://fenixsim.com/support/ 🙂

Hi Dave, no joy on that, as it wont let me go past the screen without a valid email. My old email was my business email which no longer exists after my company was acquired. So I don't have the email that I used to register... can you please advise the next step?

First flight on the 321 for me yesterday and will say everything went off without a hitch!  Really incredibly smooth experience.  Had a bit of a weird takeoff rotation in which the aircraft seem to hit a wall once airborne but I think that had more to do with my low end graphics card trying to keep up with the heavy demands of JFK and NY scenery coupled with a very windy day.  Once above like 2,000 feet she climbed up solid and reached 250 knots without issue.

One thing I noticed was the substantially higher final approach speed in the 321 compared to the 320.  I was coming into Orlando and the final approach speed was 160kts.  For those complaining about landings feeling floaty I will say I went for the soft touchdown and was afraid of the tail strike so I did float for what felt like far to long but if you think about it the higher approach speed means there is a lot more airspeed to bleed off and the plane will fly longer.  I don’t find the 320 to float at all and in fact think that airplane is perfect but I need more flights with the 321 to get the landing down.

Props to the FENIX team for incredible products!