3 minutes ago, Maxis said:

After seeing the frame rate increases with the new build of Windows 11 i think i can jump ship once its released. I will probably seek to set up and install the stripped out (of Bloatware) version though. That was why i stuck with windows 10. It was easier to strip unnecessary stuff out. Will have to do the research in the mean time to prepare for the upgrade.

I highly recommend the LTSC version. Completely stripped, official version so no third party tampering or scripts that need to be run, plus you only receive security updates, not feature updates.

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

That is for Steam customers. I am talking about all the PC users in the world. 

Steam has 132 million active users and it's one of the most valid hard- and software surveys we have. Not some random garbage stat website that counts god knows what, probably junk like Google trends. The Steam survey is actual data, from people who play games and fly simulators.

Edited August 26, 20241 yr by Sethos

W11 is only allowed on certain computers.

1 minute ago, Rimshot said:

That's possible, but eventually you get what they want you to have. I'm the kind of guy that moves along with it, I check for updates regularly, may it be OS or drivers. I've never encountered problems and I'm definitely not Gladstone Gander. Come to think of it @Bobsk8 and others, would you stay at a specific release of MSFS if updates were not forced as they are now?

Apples and Oranges, What does MSFS updates have to do with an OS???

3 minutes ago, rjquick said:

W11 is only allowed on certain computers.

If you are on a PC that windows 11 is not allowed on i would venture to say that more likely than not that they are due for an upgrade. TPM 2.0 has been out for a bit. I also suspect that if absolutely necessary the hardware module can be purchased and dropped in.

Ive personally turned it off just to avoid the windows 11 upgrade nag. I guess its useful to block that upgrade reminder 🙂

Edited August 26, 20241 yr by Maxis

10 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Steam has 132 million active users and it's one of the most valid hard- and software surveys we have. Not some random garbage stat website that counts god knows what, probably junk like Google trends. The Steam survey is actual data, from people who play games and fly simulators.

Wow 132 million users..  LOL You are comparing that to the number of  Windows users in the entire world.  LOL   

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-10-still-has-more-than-double-the-market-share-of-windows-11-and-that-doesnt-look-like-it-will-change-any-time-soon

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsofts-aggressive-ad-strategy-windows-10s-death-and-copilot-pcs-have-finally-pushed-windows-11s-market-share-to-an-all-time-high-since-launch

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/993868/worldwide-windows-operating-system-market-share/

 

Edited August 26, 20241 yr by Bobsk8

Ooh just read that hope the public release is the windows 11 updates is due in September or October, got a week off end of sept so that'd be handy to tie in with a complete fresh reinstall and make sure my system is clean & ready for MSFS2024!

11 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Wow 132 million users..  LOL You are comparing that to the number of  Windows users in the entire world.  LOL   

 

 

Why is an adult man of retirement age saying "LOL", it's cringyworthy Bob and crazy enough, imagine being able to extrapolate relevant, useful data like actual users within the simulation and gaming sphere as opposed to millions of office machines that will run whatever Windows was rolled out at the time is for another decade, same reason why Windows 7 was still being heavily used in office environments well beyond its expiry date. Same reason why developers use Steam data as their reference, because it's relevant, not what 10 million junk office machines are running.

Whilst Zen 4 and Zen 5 processors seem to get around a 10% improvement, is thete anything in it for Zen 3 users or is that just wishful thinking?

I'm not sure if this is an AMD thing or just of help to the newer chips.

Edit: A bit of research suggests all AMD processors may get some benefit, but we will have to see how earlier ones do.

I'll take my time for upgrading: this weekend I gave Win11 another try, but all I got were stutters and freezes when switching tasks (while Lossless Scaling FG was active). I'll wait until my Windows SSD fails.

17 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Wow 132 million users..  LOL You are comparing that to the number of  Windows users in the entire world.  LOL   

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-10-still-has-more-than-double-the-market-share-of-windows-11-and-that-doesnt-look-like-it-will-change-any-time-soon

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsofts-aggressive-ad-strategy-windows-10s-death-and-copilot-pcs-have-finally-pushed-windows-11s-market-share-to-an-all-time-high-since-launch

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/993868/worldwide-windows-operating-system-market-share/

 

Win11 is the future and that is fact, and at some day wich is not anymore that far you would not get any support for Win10.

Or what do you think why MS creates a new Win Version, to let the old Version go all the time with the new Version ??

At some Point you have to go over to the NEW Version, there is no other way to do, no matter how many millions of users still use Win10, when the time is over there will be no more support for Win10 and then it's over, otherwise no game (or anything else) will run after a while because this support is simply used, that's all pre-calculated policy!

5 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

Win11 is the future and that is fact, and at some day wich is not anymore that far you would not get any support for Win10.

Or what do you think why MS creates a new Win Version, to let the old Version go all the time with the new Version ??

At some Point you have to go over to the NEW Version, there is no other way to do, no matter how many millions of users still use Win10, when the time is over there will be no more support for Win10 and then it's over, otherwise no game (or anything else) will run after a while because this support is simply used, that's all pre-calculated policy!

https://www.pcmag.com/news/end-of-support-for-windows-10-not-so-fast-says-third-party-company

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/end-of-support-for-windows-10-not-so-fast-says-third-party-company

I would be careful because whether this is guaranteed remains to be seen and if so, it has already been 5 years. But ultimately everyone has to know what they're doing, I'm glad I switched to Windows 11.

And that said i was a long time Win10 user..

cheers 😉

Edited August 26, 20241 yr by pmplayer

The risk of relying  on some small unknown company to patch windows 10 hardly seems worth the concern of just moving to windows 11 in the first place. 

That article linked to by Bob contains one of the most eloquent descriptions of Windows that I have ever seen A single word that (sadly) is not allowed on the AVSIM forum.

Edited August 26, 20241 yr by Christopher Low