@ca_metal, my question was out of curiosity, nothing more. It’s been answered so I have what I need. 👍

1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

Sure, but new users won't be like that.

You're talking about something similar to the adoption curve for tech (or anything). You are likely in the laggards/skeptics group, or perhaps late majority, but most people are on the other side and actually want improvements. Anyway, this is going offtopic. I get your point, and one hopes that there's always good options for all segments of the market. 

 

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I would also want to comment that the adoption curve for video games is much more front loaded than the adoption curve for a typical product (if by adoption, it means ownership of the game by purchase, or by Gamepass).  I think within the first month that MSFS 2020 was released, a lot of people had bought it to try it out (or tried it out on Gamepass), even if they owned other flight simulators. A lot of XP and P3D users purchased MSFS 2020 in the first month it was released, even if they didn't use it much in the months afterwards, because there were no high fidelity planes in the early days of MSFS 2020.  The uptick of these "owners" of MSFS 2020 coming back to use MSFS 2020 as their primary flight simulator spiked back in April and May of 2022, when the first study level airliners were released for MSFS 2020 (Leonardo Maddog, JustFlight BAe 146, PMDG 737, Fenix A320).

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

with my $ 160,- MSFS 2024 Premium Deluxe purchase I'll get the new KingAir C90, Pilatus PC-24, Saab 340, Cessna 404 Titan, Cessna 408 SkyCourier,  Boeing 737 Max-8, Jetson One, Pilatus PC-12 NGX, Draco X and Stemme S12 G glider. 10 new aircraft at a whopping $ 16,- each 😄. All the rest of MSFS 2024 is freebee.

or is it the other way around? improved terrific new scenery, avionics, clouds, flight model, foreflight-like flight planner, improved performance, career mode etc, and all of my favorite new aircraft for free. haven't decided yet. 🤣

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

A lot of XP and P3D users purchased MSFS 2020 in the first month it was released, even if they didn't use it much in the months afterwards, because there were no high fidelity planes in the early days of MSFS 2020.  The uptick of these "owners" of MSFS 2020 coming back to use MSFS 2020 as their primary flight simulator spiked back in April and May of 2022, when the first study level airliners were released for MSFS 2020 (Leonardo Maddog, JustFlight BAe 146, PMDG 737, Fenix A320).

That was pretty much me. I'd boot up every sim/world update to see what's new and go back to P3D V5. Then once PMDG 737, GSX and AIG traffic was in, I ended up switching over as I was getting what I used with much better performance and visuals. 

That said when 2024 launches I'll be learning the 73 MAX,A321XLR, A330, Cessna 408, PC24, Saab 340 while using whatever sceneries are compatible while the main guys get their birds updated. The vegetation, seasons and performance I experienced in the Tech Alpha is worth the wait. 

I switched from P3D to MSFS right away. I couldn't stand looking at the bland generic scenery anymore after experiencing 2020.

Mind you I didn't own any payware aircraft for P3D, I lived entirely on freeware. MSFS is the first time I've ever bought payware aircraft.

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

There will come a point in people’s lives when they’re happy with what they have and don’t want to jump on the bandwagon of ever improving scenery. That point could have said to have been reached with 20. Yes, they’re a minority of course.

That's fair and likely true re: said minority not jumping on the "bandwagon" if the *only* improvements were scenery. If the improvements were more than scenery and in various core areas of flight simulation, I'd say that minority is an even tinier one.
 

I honestly don't care much when installing MSFS 2024...

It's a New Cycle... I'll enjoy the default aircraft as much as I can and will wait eventual updates from PMDG, Flying Iron and Fenix...

Should they ask for money... I'll most probably pay, provided it follows the new "price trend" in MSFS Land... 

15 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

That's fair and likely true re: said minority not jumping on the "bandwagon" if the *only* improvements were scenery. If the improvements were more than scenery and in various core areas of flight simulation, I'd say that minority is an even tinier one.
 

Do you think there’ll be a MSFS2028? Given the improvements in scenery, seasons and lighting in 24 have they taken it as far as they can?

If the only improvements in 2028 were flight modelling would that attract any but the most committed who are a minority?

MSFS2020 was such a quantum leap over what came before have Microsoft/Asobo effectively burnt their bridges?

7 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If the only improvements in 2028 were flight modelling

which newer version of any flight simulator ever saw only improvements in flight modelling?

the future will see ever improving scenery image improvement and constantly improved geo data and complexity. there is room for improvements for years to come. apart from AI, ATC etc.

only once we have an exact 1:1 copy of the digital twin and cinema quality graphics, then Joerg will have to look for a new job. 😃

Edited October 23, 20241 yr by turbomax

4 minutes ago, turbomax said:

which newer version of any flight simulator ever saw only improvements in flight modelling?

Tell me what needs improving in 2024? Nothing obvious that I can see from the videos I’ve watched. I never bothered buying P3Dv6 as the improvements didn’t seem worth it.

Every sim reaches a ceiling beyond which it’s difficult to improve. I think 2024 might be it.

4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Tell me what needs improving in 2024?

see my reply above. has it all.

5 minutes ago, turbomax said:

see my reply above. has it all.

Noted.

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Tell me what needs improving in 2024?

Just keep an eye on the forum after it has been released 🤣

39 minutes ago, turbomax said:

there is room for improvements for years to come. apart from AI, ATC etc.

only once we have an exact 1:1 copy of the digital twin and cinema real world quality graphics, then Joerg will have to look for a new job

Exactly. Only once the Twin Earth is an accurate 1:1 replica (with true-to-life colour pallette), the computational fluid dynamics are perfect, the clouds are the exact match for real weather, and the air mass is perfectly replicated, will MSFS no longer require improvement.

Actually, that's a lie. ATC and the AI traffic engine still won't work as well as we have always wanted.
And we'll all still argue over whether Cessna 182P G-AZNO or N1957M is the better source material for the sim's default Cessna 182. 😁

9 hours ago, jcomm said:

I honestly don't care much when installing MSFS 2024...

That is because you are so good at it.  You are the Master Uninstaller of Montijo.  😀👻