The Airbus NEO market is so over ripe for a high fidelity level aircraft. I am sitting here shaking my head. I do wish the FSL chaps all the best because they do make some really good stuff. But I am surprised they decided to go head to head with Fenix on a A321CEO. It would’ve been a no brainer purchase of a A321NEO. Ah well…. 

8 minutes ago, FrankSalo said:

They teased it since the P3D V5 release and honestly it should have been the first off the line.

I’m surprised their announcement was for an Airbus. I really thought it would be for Concorde. We P3D users have gone a year since the last update. Several important fixes remain outstanding. So the sooner a MSFS Concorde is released the sooner the P3D fixes will arrive.

1 hour ago, CAP1234 said:

Yeah that would have been great but I don't think Fenix has any plans doing Neo's, this is where Fslabs would have conquered the Neo market if they were smart. 

Especially the complex full fidelity A321 Neo with all of the variants - that would have been absolute grand satisfying both short haul and long haul market. 

Default iniBuilds A320neo and A321LR will make that prospect an increasingly bleak one - depending on price point and how much money you have to put in to be competitive. Even if the Aerosoft A330 had been the best possible rendition of that plane that they could put out, they were inevitably going to get their clock cleaned by the default A330 included in the new sim.

Now imagine FSL charging $100... oof. My real job is GTM strategy - there is no market to go to there lol

26 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Considering that IniBuilds have one as Default in MSFS24 I doubt it.

Not the A321 neo though - That is different & besides if Fslabs manages to create full complex A321 Neo including the variants then the potential is there. I do have inibuilds A320 Neo V2 in MSFS and personally I would not classify that as study level aircraft. 

17 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Default iniBuilds A320neo and A321LR will make that prospect an increasingly bleak one - depending on price point and how much money you have to put in to be competitive. Even if the Aerosoft A330 had been the best possible rendition of that plane that they could put out, they were inevitably going to get their clock cleaned by the default A330 included in the new sim.

Now imagine FSL charging $100... oof. My real job is GTM strategy - there is no market to go to there lol

There is a difference though, A320neo and A321 neo are two different planes. If Fslabs manages to create a complex A321 neo including the long range variants then yes there is something unique which might help them overall. I have nothing against inibuilds but their A320 neo is not classed as complex airliner. I don't know how accurate system simulation inbuilds are going for in newer sim but if it is default aircraft then I have no hope. Which in that case I would happily pay Fslabs $40-60 for complex A321 neo. 

Edited November 11, 20241 yr by CAP1234

2 hours ago, funkyj4ever said:

Don't overreact so much.

Said the guy who described the Fenix Front Office as “cartoony”.

Physician, heal thyself. 
-B

never forget they put malware in A320 installer

16 minutes ago, CAP1234 said:

I don't know how accurate system simulation inbuilds are going for in newer sim but if it is default aircraft then I have no hope.

starting at 19:10 they talk about and show off the A330 and A321LR

  

16 minutes ago, CAP1234 said:

A320 neo is not classed as complex airliner.

Feels similar to the FBW to me.

Edited November 11, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

13 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

starting at 19:10 they talk about and show off the A330 and A321LR

  

Feels similar to the FBW to me.

Yeah this more looking like FBW to me - Yeah I wouldn't mind Fslabs doing A321 Neo from complete ground up. Personally not a fan of inibuilds planes although their A300 is spot on. 

34 minutes ago, CAP1234 said:

Not the A321 neo though

Yes, very much the NEO. Or since when do CEO A321LR come with LEAP engines? 😉

Edited November 11, 20241 yr by Farlis

Never in life.  Remember the test.exe file to grab passwords?  

I have both Fenix packages and it's hard to beat in my opinion.  What minor issues that are left I am confident they will get ironed out in time.  I also think Fenix has done a wonderful job in communicating with the community.  I don't plan to abandon Fenix anytime soon.  

If FSL decides to make all versions and sub versions of the A320 Series CEO and NEO I would consider it at that time.  The primary reason just being consistency across the lines.  Similar reasons why I would still like to see the PMDG MAX.  I really like the ifly MAX, but with only one variant it's appeal is somewhat limited to me.  Of course if iFly brings us more MAX variants and the NG line beside it than it's game over for the PMDG NG.  Of coarse if Fenix does a NEO I would probably just buy from them.

Don't we have enough 320's already?

I was as big of an fsl enthusiast as there was. Spent money on skalarki equipment because of the plane. But then fenix came and somehow improved the experience. 
 

I wanted a neo. That’s the plane I don’t like in current form. 

2 hours ago, amm693 said:

never forget they put malware in A320 installer

My earlier comment got deleted so I'll be less blunt about it - but they did admit to doing this, and in many nations that is a crime. Regardless of their intent, it is still unlawful.

Many of us use our computers for work as well as play - I do, I work from home so I use all sorts of different devices. If FSL were to do the same antics again today, I would have to report it to our IT security people as a password and data breach (don't get in trouble, but the one time, I ended up basically taking 3 days off and not by choice). 

I bought FSL products in the past, but now that there's a competitor at similar fidelity, lower price point, better customer care - the choice is clear. The password logger nonsense is yet another albatross around the neck of a company that has functionally already failed. 

Edited November 12, 20241 yr by mspencer