18 minutes ago, History said:

If you wanna take a break from the fuss, it won't hurt to try Xplane 12 and relax a bit.

The OP can also go back to MSFS 2020 which is more stable at the moment.

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Rather than making excuses, the feeling is to be patient and wait for the bugs to be ironed out.  It is already a very good sim. 2020 didn't have a great start either, but it turned out very good after the bugs were ironed out.  I assume you are still using 2020 - does this make you a 'word not allowed'?

Personally I expected early problems, but from day two onwards things have improved quickly.

Thanks for the laugh!  Possibly the silliest thing I have read about 2024.

MSFS 2020 had some issues at the beginning and a half working SDK. However, not as major as MSFS 2024. This sim has MSFS 2020 in its base and is no completely new developed piece of software.

Some small issues at release are always possible but MSFS 2024 suffered from big issues and a lot at release. Totally unacceptable.

They fixed a lot but there is so many more to be fixed. 

MS/Asobo better made use of bèta testers from the community. Like with MSFS 2020. But they did not want that.

These days many software developers, not all, are focused on the deadline and not on making sure that their product is its best state. 

You write that you accept early issues. But what is acceptable for you is not be acceptable for others. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, marcg11 said:

Tried again today to get keyboard and controller settings to mimic my 2020….somewhat successful but still much to be done.    The setup of flying is still so very different that it’s still not worth the effort.   

That MSFS 2024 isn't "worth the effort" simply means that it isn't worth YOUR effort and that you can't be bothered to dig into the sim and figure out how, for example, the new control scheme works. 

That's ON YOU, not on MSFS 2024.

26 minutes ago, GSalden said:

They fixed a lot but there is so many more to be fixed. 

Are you logging bug reports on the official MSFS forums?

31 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

That MSFS 2024 isn't "worth the effort" simply means that it isn't worth YOUR effort and that you can't be bothered to dig into the sim and figure out how, for example, the new control scheme works. 

That's ON YOU, not on MSFS 2024.

Why did they need to change it? Controller and keyboard settings are the biggest annoyance when upgrading to a new flight simulator, so it needs to be as intuitive and easy to understand as possible. It took me longer than it should have done to set everything up when I moved from P3Dv4 to MSFS 2020, but the excuse in that case is that they are two completely different products. MSFS 2024 is the successor to MSFS 2020, so the logical decision would have been to keep everything the same as before.

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

That MSFS 2024 isn't "worth the effort" simply means that it isn't worth YOUR effort and that you can't be bothered to dig into the sim and figure out how, for example, the new control scheme works. 

That's ON YOU, not on MSFS 2024.

Okay so you've selected the one thing that a user could at least try to get around. What about worse ground textures resolution, VRAM bugs etc.? Is that also caused by marcg11's lack of effort?

Edited December 23, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

Personally it's in a much more usable state than MSFS2020 was on release, and I think people (including me) are forgetting that many of the things 2024 has (working) right from the start weren't even there in 2020 (e.g. correct airport conditions via METARs, VR etc.). That was absolutely much worse, but *relatively* understandable because it was an all-new sim.
Still from a *relative* perspective (i.e. as in what one could expect from a sim that's totally based on a previous, well working one) MSFS2024 is a total disaster.

Please understand the difference - people can say MSFS2024 was much worse than expected and still accept that it's overall in a better state than MSFS2020 was on release. If I buy a car and it has a non-working AC, I have a better car than what I had 20 years ago, but still a car in an inacceptable state relatively-spoken.

3 hours ago, GSalden said:

MSFS 2020 had some issues at the beginning and a half working SDK. However, not as major as MSFS 2024. This sim has MSFS 2020 in its base and is no completely new developed piece of software.
 

MSFS 2024’s first few days were worse than MSFS 2020’s first few days in that few people could download and login to MSFS 2024 in the first few days.

But one month after release, MSFS 2024 is in much better condition than MSFS 2020 after one month.

People were CTDing constantly in MSFS 2020 one month after release. Then there was the notorious patch that caused an instant CTD if you used certain peripherals.

I guess people have a short term memory? Because I would pick one month post MSFS 2024 over one month post MSFS 2020 any day.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

3 hours ago, GSalden said:

MSFS 2020 had some issues at the beginning and a half working SDK. However, not as major as MSFS 2024. This sim has MSFS 2020 in its base and is no completely new developed piece of software.

Some small issues at release are always possible but MSFS 2024 suffered from big issues and a lot at release. Totally unacceptable.

They fixed a lot but there is so many more to be fixed. 

MS/Asobo better made use of bèta testers from the community. Like with MSFS 2020. But they did not want that.

These days many software developers, not all, are focused on the deadline and not on making sure that their product is its best state. 

You write that you accept early issues. But what is acceptable for you is not be acceptable for others. 

 

 

 

What version of 2020 did you get at initial release that worked better than 2024? You people of short memory....We could not fly helos in 2020 without a special outside module to control inputs. It had a ton of memory leaks that made landing at any airport a slide show. It did not recognize controller hardware. but it had much potential over FSX and PD3. Quit living in the good ole days. Move on. You find 2024 not acceptable for you, don't use it. Whaa Whaa Whaa I'm going back to my comfort zone.

9 hours ago, RobJC said:

You do realize that MSFS2024 is THE NEXT version of MSFS2020, right? All that hard work and free bug testing in MSFS2020 was supposed to mean something. Or not. 

Exactly. and in some areas they took it back to early FS2020 state if not worse. One example is the terrible sephia lighting up all the remote areas, which in FS2020 is in much better shape. 

This topic has derailed again on the 2020 versus 2024 state which has nothing to do with what the topic poster mentioned, that the entire sim comes to a halt when the connection/streaming comes to a halt or gets unreliable.
At that moment your game/flight is over, if you like it or not and that's where the frustration kicks in. And that's just how 2024 is at this moment. It's unreliable that you can start/continue a flight. When the connection to the servers is poor, it just won't let you play it or continue your flight. I had some great flights but I also had a few where it just wouldn't start (gazing at the turning circle) or when all of a sudden the spinning circle would show up in the middle of a flight. Simply put, that's just not good enough.
 

1 hour ago, Lange_666 said:

This topic has derailed again on the 2020 versus 2024 state which has nothing to do with what the topic poster mentioned, that the entire sim comes to a halt when the connection/streaming comes to a halt or gets unreliable.
At that moment your game/flight is over, if you like it or not and that's where the frustration kicks in. And that's just how 2024 is at this moment. It's unreliable that you can start/continue a flight. When the connection to the servers is poor, it just won't let you play it or continue your flight. I had some great flights but I also had a few where it just wouldn't start (gazing at the turning circle) or when all of a sudden the spinning circle would show up in the middle of a flight. Simply put, that's just not good enough.
 

We each tend to fly a bit differently and this may just be affecting some more than others.  For instance, I fly a sports-teams based schedule based on games with my favorite teams.  Example, today I will fly from St Louis to Detroit for tonight's Blues vs Red Wings game.  When I start a flight I intend to finish it in real time.  I have an occasional need to go to Settings to adjust a controls setting.  When I cannot get there and return without the sim locking up, streaming issue or not, it requires I use Task Manager to close the sim, then reboot my system, and start over.  All the while hoping the malady does not repeat itself.  A bit daunting to see the now frequent "traffic not available" warning as it may indicate an underlying issue affecting more than traffic.  

This topic has not derailed.  It is the sim that has derailed.  

I will be reverting to something more reliable (name not mentioned to avoid tribalism based responses).

It's interesting how people keep finding excuses or accusing others of "short memory" instead of acknowledging the obvious problems. After four years of MS2020, it is not normal for MS2024 (which uses almost the same engine as its predecessor) to have specific, annoying broken issues, such as controller or keyboard settings, certain ground texture problems, somewhat blurry/dirty windshields, some lighting issues, streaming issues in different regions, as well as certain places with melted buildings or trees. All these issues should not be part of this release, and ASOBO can use some quality control and better programmers. 

Although this release (an upgrade from the previous version) has some nice eye-candy features and a few better aircraft flight dynamics, this is not a good start. 

This is just a perfect example of ASOBO's incompetent people's decisions. 

Edited December 23, 20241 yr by LRBS

12 hours ago, usernamerequired said:

Microsoft is lucky they haven’t been slapped with a class action lawsuit for this release.

Microsoft cannot be sued for defects in any software they produce. In the EULA that comes with every single product Microsoft makes - (not just games but major products like Office and Windows itself) - the end user waives the right to bring suit. The only remedy for defects is either a refund, or binding arbitration, using an arbitrator of Microsoft’s choosing and at a location of Microsoft’s choosing. 

This is not just true of Microsoft. Similar provisions exist in the license agreements of almost all commercial software, no matter who publishes it.

8 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Microsoft cannot be sued for defects in any software they produce. In the EULA that comes with every single product Microsoft makes - (not just games but major products like Office and Windows itself) - the end user waives the right to bring suit. The only remedy for defects is either a refund, or binding arbitration, using an arbitrator of Microsoft’s choosing and at a location of Microsoft’s choosing. 

This is not just true of Microsoft. Similar provisions exist in the license agreements of almost all commercial software, no matter who publishes it.

Would that not require the software to work as advertised in the first place? Or is this a case of "if you don't like paying for half finished beta products, then tough"?