3 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I was under the assumption the more frames generated, the higher the artefacts. Seems to check out that way in LLS too. 

I think it's the exact opposite.  Maybe all 'artifacts' aren't the same but it's always been this way for me. To support this set your actual lock at 30FPS-fg, and compare that against 90FPS-fg with regard to what I'm talking about which is strobing with any kind of motion or panning on tarmac/runway under most but especially high contrast lighting.  At 30 strobing is absolutely heinous, at 90, mostly gone.     This is why one of my work arounds is to run wide open on the ground, and set the lock to 60FPS-fg immediately after TO.  Since wide open say at a rate of 90 obviates this artifact by 60-70% I have to believe 240fps should make this essentially irrelevant.

Edited January 26, 20251 yr by Noel

1 hour ago, Noel said:

I think it's the exact opposite.  Maybe all 'artifacts' aren't the same but it's always been this way for me. To support this set your actual lock at 30FPS-fg, and compare that against 90FPS-fg with regard to what I'm talking about which is strobing with any kind of motion or panning on tarmac/runway under most but especially high contrast lighting.  At 30 strobing is absolutely heinous, at 90, mostly gone.     This is why one of my work arounds is to run wide open on the ground, and set the lock to 60FPS-fg immediately after TO.  Since wide open say at a rate of 90 obviates this artifact by 60-70% I have to believe 240fps should make this essentially irrelevant.

You can test it at 240FPS using LLS as it supports up to 20X frame gen I believe. I haven't tested anything past X3

Just now, Ianrivaldosmith said:

You can test it at 240FPS using LLS as it supports up to 20X frame gen I believe. I haven't tested anything past X3

Diff tech though so not sure how valid that comparison will be.

I can run LS in 2020 no problem but when I go to 2024 it freezes or drops the FPS down to nothing. I never could run DX12 in 2020 so I dont know if 2024 is using DX12 only? But then sometimes it will work for a while then stop. On a sony 65 display and 3080. Can you run LS with DLSS or just TAA? Any ideas?

Wow!!  The latest driver 571.96 + DLSS "4" ( I put it in parenthesis because the actual file name is still 3.xxx) + Lossless Scaling is simply the best thing I've ever experienced in simming.  

I kept questioning if the sim had some sort of update.  

Did the CUDA install with just the driver.  DLSS Swapper to the latest version and wow.  

Almost all ghosting/artifacting is gone.  Performance is the best I have ever seen in terms of fluidity.  I may not even need Lossless anymore but for right now I dropped down to 2.3 to spare the VRAM overhead and there was still almost no artifacting.  

The whole sim feels "sped up" from AI passing on the ground and in the air to passing through and past the clouds and every texture in the sim is sharp and clear.  

Hands down the best I've ever seen it.  Been taking pics of what I'm seeing so will try to post later.  

Very pleased if this is a sign of what is to come.   Link to my screenshots is in the linked thread

 

On 1/22/2025 at 11:26 AM, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I don’t use P3D but I’ll see if I can replicate it on a non HDR monitor using Xplane or msfs at some point this week. 

Hi Ian. Have you had any joy finding the cause of this brightening/ sharpening of the image in XP or MSFS? I’ve turned HDR in P3D off and tried other options but no joy. The HDR option in LS makes no difference if on or off.

In non-LS mode the image is fine. As soon as I activate it this effect kicks in. Any movement of the mouse or touching the keyboard turns it off for exactly 6 seconds after which it turns on again.

Baffling and I seem to be the only user with the problem.

59 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Hi Ian. Have you had any joy finding the cause of this brightening/ sharpening of the image in XP or MSFS? I’ve turned HDR in P3D off and tried other options but no joy. The HDR option in LS makes no difference if on or off.

In non-LS mode the image is fine. As soon as I activate it this effect kicks in. Any movement of the mouse or touching the keyboard turns it off for exactly 6 seconds after which it turns on again.

Baffling and I seem to be the only user with the problem.

I havent been able to replicate it using MSFS or XP12, I wonder if it is something to do with P3D? 

10 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I havent been able to replicate it using MSFS or XP12, I wonder if it is something to do with P3D? 

It does sound like it. I’ll post in that subforum and see if anyone else has the problem. Thanks for your help. I’ve stuck with 29fps and X2. Much improved over my previous settings and only minimal artefacts.

10 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It does sound like it. I’ll post in that subforum and see if anyone else has the problem. Thanks for your help. I’ve stuck with 29fps and X2. Much improved over my previous settings and only minimal artefacts.

I set mine to 14fps and x4. That obviously gives around 56 with Lossless enabled. The only problems I have had are some edge breakup of the image when moving around. So, obviously, I try to avoid too much movement. I don't have any lighting variations at all.

So I genuinely thought with the whole new Nvidia Driver and DLSS4 with my 4090 I would actually be done with Lossless Scaling altogether.  

For "SOME" reason, I don't know why but even with the new driver and DLSS4 I still had some micro stutters.  The bright side is ghosting is almost completely gone though which is great, IQ is exceptional but for me the "smoothest" experience is with Lossless Scaling doing the FG. 

The upside is with the latest drivers, DLSS4 and Lossless ghosting is still almost entirely gone and IQ remains exceptional. 

Just thought I would be done with Lossless but for some reason my system seems to really like it...  

3 hours ago, psolk said:

or me the "smoothest" experience is with Lossless Scaling doing the FG

Same here. The framegen mod on my 3070 is nowhere near the smoothness that LS provides especially with LSFG 3.0. I can't sim without it.

I have updated to this driver and set the optimizations recommended (knowing that I could always revert is necessary).

I really wasn't having any performance issues before (maintaining a fairly stable 60 fps with no stutters).  Now I have fps in the 80's and everything is very smooth.

HOWEVER, the g1000 displays are now a little soft (running the Kodiak right now).  It's difficult to read the small text output on the displays.  If there is no way to get the sharpness back while running lossless scaling, I'm going to revert to my old settings, as this is hard on my eyes.

3 hours ago, RandallR said:

I have updated to this driver and set the optimizations recommended (knowing that I could always revert is necessary).

I really wasn't having any performance issues before (maintaining a fairly stable 60 fps with no stutters).  Now I have fps in the 80's and everything is very smooth.

HOWEVER, the g1000 displays are now a little soft (running the Kodiak right now).  It's difficult to read the small text output on the displays.  If there is no way to get the sharpness back while running lossless scaling, I'm going to revert to my old settings, as this is hard on my eyes.

Do you have the TDS GTN by chance? when I use LS the the display will not update it just freezes. But if I toggle out of LS it updates.

29 minutes ago, cchiozza said:

Do you have the TDS GTN by chance? when I use LS the the display will not update it just freezes. But if I toggle out of LS it updates.

I am using the standard WT g1000 (in system/FS2020).  I've reverted back to my normal settings (removing lossless scaling) - I'm back at 60 fps and everything is smooth.  Most importantly, the panel screens are now crisp and easily readable.

Are there any ‘must not skip’ steps to using LS? I have bought it but it’s just not working, even if I disable the Nvidia overlay. It works with GSync, right?