8 hours ago, mspencer said:

As a result it's just not very fun to fly... I hope this fixes it. Maybe Hans has finally figured out the LNAV module and we'll see an update for the ATR too? I wouldn't count on it.

I find the current  ATR works just fine for me, free of the wonkiness that plagued it upon release and subsequent updates.  Now the CRJ? Not working so good for me after MANY updates. A true Wonk of a plane if I ever came across one!

-B

6 hours ago, KaptenEk said:

I also almost have zero faith concerning the developer

Same here. The reviews will have to be excellent before I will look at it.

Just been watching a bit of A330 drivers preview stream for version 2. Still bugs present with LNAV and VNAV, and it flew straight through the localizer. I was hopeful the CRJ would be solid after the v2 update, but I guess not.

2 hours ago, james42 said:

Just been watching a bit of A330 drivers preview stream for version 2. Still bugs present with LNAV and VNAV, and it flew straight through the localizer. I was hopeful the CRJ would be solid after the v2 update, but I guess not.

I watched his video and will not be buying.  I had high hopes for version 2 of the CRJ but my Aerosoft purchase ban continues - my trust in this developer was dented too much by previous 'mishaps'.

3 hours ago, james42 said:

Just been watching a bit of A330 drivers preview stream for version 2. Still bugs present with LNAV and VNAV, and it flew straight through the localizer. I was hopeful the CRJ would be solid after the v2 update, but I guess not.

The joke's on us for thinking this would really be improved substantially...

On 2/17/2025 at 11:25 AM, mspencer said:

It's just not a mature product and has never been - I guess that's the best way to put it?

I can understand this viewpoint, but I also understand your example add-ons are pretty much 2x the cost...

Not defending AS as theyve really dropped the ball in MSFS.

But at a 2x / "most expensive" cost point I expect a substantially more accurate experience.

5 hours ago, james42 said:

Just been watching a bit of A330 drivers preview stream for version 2. Still bugs present with LNAV and VNAV, and it flew straight through the localizer. I was hopeful the CRJ would be solid after the v2 update, but I guess not.

IIRC, it always had problems with ILS... 😕

OTOH, IIRC it doesn't even have VNAV IRL (or it's Advisory at best).

P.s.: did he talk about the flight model...?

I don't mind hand-flying an ILS if the plane handles well

 

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

Maybe I’m just too easy to please (even though I’m not), but I actually enjoy the CRJ. It’s not PMDG or Fenix, but it’s not bad in my opinion.

Cheers, Pete

First payware plane I got for 2020. It was decent then but was quickly dethroned by others.

I will try the updated version much, much later. Maybe its just me but I forsee glaring bugs, people trying to report it then getting shutdown on their forums.

Glad I bought nearly 5 years ago but I have moved on a long time ago.

Aerosoft/Hans have a bit of making up to do if people are to trust them again. IMO. YRMV.

But again....its free and I should be grateful and I am. I truly hope I'm wrong the bugs, quirks and quacks are gone. Its been nearly 5 years.... I'd there are glaring bugs like lnav not tracking, etc then I am afraid I'm right. Here's to hoping

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by Sonosusto

I’d like to see the detailed change log. A long time ago Hans Hartman had a good name in the business. It seems like there is a limit to his skills and knowledge to solve some of these issues. Feels like if he had expanded beyond just being a one man show there might have been more expertise to take the products to a greater level of fidelity. His pace is glacial at updates. In real life I love the crjs. His versions have always felt lacklustre like the atr. Sorry to say it because it’s disappointing but I really doubt there is much change otherwise they would have shouted it from the rooftops in the promo vid.

11 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I can understand this viewpoint, but I also understand your example add-ons are pretty much 2x the cost...

Not defending AS as theyve really dropped the ball in MSFS.

But at a 2x / "most expensive" cost point I expect a substantially more accurate experience.

I am going to sound nice and negative, but it is sometimes not avoidable.

Do not forget that this add-on was originally about €70 to get the full package. €50 for just the 550/700. Getting the base Fenix package is in a similar price class and much, much better. The PMDG 737-600 you can get for €35 I think? If you don't mind flying the less popular variant. Both give much more value. There is a freeware A320 that is higher quality with less bugs than the CRJ.

I will wait until the release, but from the first impressions it sounds like the dev slapped lipstick on a pig and called it a done job. Which would also explain the reluctance by the developer to actually share his progress or changelogs (before release), or respond to any support request basically.

5 hours ago, CRJay said:

I am going to sound nice and negative, but it is sometimes not avoidable.

Do not forget that this add-on was originally about €70 to get the full package. €50 for just the 550/700. Getting the base Fenix package is in a similar price class and much, much better. The PMDG 737-600 you can get for €35 I think? If you don't mind flying the less popular variant. Both give much more value. There is a freeware A320 that is higher quality with less bugs than the CRJ.

I will wait until the release, but from the first impressions it sounds like the dev slapped lipstick on a pig and called it a done job. Which would also explain the reluctance by the developer to actually share his progress or changelogs (before release), or respond to any support request basically.

Fair point.

HOWEVER, let's not forget that when this launched, it was literally the ONLY Hi Fi airliner add-on available for all of MSFS.

It was good enough that AS broke all of their historical sales records, etc, etc.

So at the time it was certainly worth $50.

I never got the 900/1000 package because by the time that released it was clear the addon had some limitations & bugs, and there was literally no other difference in the longer variants other than the fuselage plug. It was only for folks who e wanted it to show off some livery or something...

Fenix 320 is 50% more expensive. If you add the 319 & 321 package to make it comparable with the current CRJ 4-variants package, the Fenix becomes 2x.

The PMDG 737-600 would never be as inexpensive as it is if it were the only PMDG 737 available. It'd be like it was in P3D: a $25 extension of a $99 base package. At THAT point only would it be fair to compare it to Fenix, et al.

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To be clear, I'm fully prepared to be underwhelmed by this update, and it should definitely have released literally years ago.

But I like keeping my apples with my apples, so I'm pushing back a bit on your comparison. 🤙

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

On 3/23/2025 at 7:25 PM, james42 said:

Just been watching a bit of A330 drivers preview stream for version 2. Still bugs present with LNAV and VNAV, and it flew straight through the localizer. I was hopeful the CRJ would be solid after the v2 update, but I guess not.

Hans Hartmann just said in another livestream that he talked to Emanuel (A330Driver) about the bugs he found. The launch will be postponed by a week to fix these.

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by -Belga-

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Fair point.

HOWEVER, let's not forget that when this launched, it was literally the ONLY Hi Fi airliner add-on available for all of MSFS.

It was good enough that AS broke all of their historical sales records, etc, etc.

So at the time it was certainly worth $50.

 

Being the first to market and charging $50 for a plane you never intend to support because you plan on later reducing the price and claiming poverty when there are competitors would be a nonsensical strategy if it were true.

We know what happened here - we lived through it. AS released it for $50 because they're AS, and that was the price in P3D - they were later outcompeted by lower pricing models from releases that came well after.

While we were all waiting for the barest of patches, Hans realized he could make much more by working with Asobo directly, and thus, we arrive here, 4 years later. At some point along the way, Aerosoft reduces the price and hypes the update, because hey you sold plenty at $50, and maybe now 4 years later you can juice the throttle a bit and sell some more for $30 while you have free media attention. Helpful, given their only other major commercial project just blew up on the launchpad like one of the very expensive SpaceX toys my tax dollars pay for.

 

I'll try "v2" but I suspect it's a final patch for Hans to fulfill whatever remaining commercial obligations he has to the publisher, nothing more. I hope I am wrong (or we just get a better CRJ series)

11 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Being the first to market and charging $50 for a plane you never intend to support because you plan on later reducing the price and claiming poverty when there are competitors would be a nonsensical strategy if it were true.

We know what happened here - we lived through it. AS released it for $50 because they're AS, and that was the price in P3D - they were later outcompeted by lower pricing models from releases that came well after.

While we were all waiting for the barest of patches, Hans realized he could make much more by working with Asobo directly, and thus, we arrive here, 4 years later. At some point along the way, Aerosoft reduces the price and hypes the update, because hey you sold plenty at $50, and maybe now 4 years later you can juice the throttle a bit and sell some more for $30 while you have free media attention. Helpful, given their only other major commercial project just blew up on the launchpad like one of the very expensive SpaceX toys my tax dollars pay for.

 

I'll try "v2" but I suspect it's a final patch for Hans to fulfill whatever remaining commercial obligations he has to the publisher, nothing more. I hope I am wrong (or we just get a better CRJ series)

To be clear, I think we have similar hesitations in the how good this update is going to be.

However, I think you're laying it on a bit thick in terms of "intent".

Aerosoft has always been a mid-tier developer, and, yes, their reputation has only gone downhill since the CRJ for MSFS. And, yes, they've been soundly outcompeted in MSFS.

And, oh yeah, their A330 was/is a dumpster fire resulting from complacency.

But, Hans didn't do much better with the ATR, and his timeline was similar there, too.

Like I said, I'm not expecting that this update is going to do much other than be a (long overdue) improvement to things that shouldn't really have been problems in the first place.

But, since I already own it, and since it will be an improvement over what's there now, I'm gonna give it a try and see what level of commitment Hans really has.

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta