1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

Yes @Bobsk8, people that are unrelentingly negative, have nothing nice to say ever, constantly belittle others, are both condescending and incorrect, are convinced they are always correct and everyone else is always wrong.. yes, those people are haters. 

Oh and also, people that deliberately put words in other people's mouths, people that are only here to stir up trouble, people that will always do the forum equivalent of a gish gallop, false equvalency, whataboutism and all the usual debating tricks and logical fallacies - they are more like trolls than haters, but there are most certainly a bunch of people like that here. 

I'm glad you're OK. I am wonderful as well. 

 

feels like i've wondered into a taylor swift forum

34 minutes ago, B777ER said:

This comment is a bit tone deaf. "Looks SO good now" is highly subjective to the end user. What you may pass off as "SO good" to another may be not as good as it should/can be. You are labeling anyone that disagrees with this as a "haters" and is wholly unwarranted and a gross mischaracterization of people. 

No no, I was responding to the post above mine. I don’t think people who disagree with me are haters and I apologize if that came across wrong. To you and anyone else! I’m truly sorry. 
 

I provided my definition of haters after that 🙂 .. that’s what I think haters are. 

One question.... is it more stable now? I have no problem with performance, I just get CTD's and blue screens of death from time to time...

1 minute ago, lehbird said:

One question.... is it more stable now? I have no problem with performance, I just get CTD's and blue screens of death from time to time...

It is, but then I wasn’t having CtDs before either. So I can’t say whether stability has improved or not, it was always stable for me (barring the obvious bugs like the Inibuilds WASM issue -  but not inexplicable CTDs. )

On BT so can not test. But is SU1 fixing that stupid poping in of airport parts in front of me, cca 10 meters before my front wheel ?

2 hours ago, JonathanC said:

have you tried it at all? Don’t go by videos.
 

Believe me or not, doesn’t matter to me - but I’ve seen you post here many times and you don’t come across as one of the extreme guys who only hate on stuff - and that’s why I would say really just see for yourself! 

Yes, I've tried it.  I haven't tried the Beta though. 

 I was merely commenting on the video and I wasn't hating on anything I was just "commenting" on the very obvious scenery loading building by building and tile by tile in that  video...   I will wait for SU1 to go GA and I am also very encouraged by the PMDG news as that is critical to my migration.  I have a lot of Hardware and I tend to stick to add-ons where it is supported and I can leverage it all... 

 

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by psolk

11 minutes ago, psolk said:

I have a lot of Hardware and I tend to stick to add-ons where it is supported and I can leverage it all... 

yeah makes sense with your setup.
 

 But you can get excited cause you have a lot of great stuff to look forward to soon 🙂 

13 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

yeah makes sense with your setup.
 

 But you can get excited cause you have a lot of great stuff to look forward to soon 🙂 

Thanks, I'm also extremely content with what I have today... 

Not to say 2024 wont be better but I also feel like I wasn't using the same 2020 as some others because "for me"  2020 with everything on Ultra at 120FPS with AI maxxed out TLOD at 375, OLOD at 175 crystal clear textures to the horizon, ASFS, the 777 with all my hardware and rock solid stability still provides a truly immersive and highly enjoyable experience and does not leave me wanting.  

Like I said, not arguing it won't be better when I do migrate but also extremely content with what I have and feel 2020 has never been better than it is right now so I'm able to enjoy what I have while I wait.  

Not to hijack this thread so I wont start posting my videos here but to me this: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/661769-new-version-of-lossless-scaling/page/6/#findComment-5339822  doesn't look "bad" which is what some seem to imply when talking about how 2020 is somehow dead since 11/20 LOL  

 

 

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by psolk

3 hours ago, JonathanC said:

Sí@Bobsk8, personas que son implacablemente negativas, que nunca tienen nada bueno que decir, que constantemente menosprecian a los demás, que son condescendientes e incorrectas, que están convencidas de que siempre tienen razón y de que todos los demás siempre están equivocados... sí, esas personas son personas que odian. 

Ah, y también, las personas que deliberadamente ponen palabras en boca de otras personas, las personas que solo están aquí para causar problemas, las personas que siempre harán el equivalente en el foro de un galope gish, falsas equivalencias, whataboutism y todos los trucos habituales de debate y falacias lógicas: son más como trolls que personas que odian, pero sin duda hay un montón de personas así aquí. 

Me alegro de que estés bien. Yo también estoy genial. 

 

I don't think anyone hates MFS hating is a very strong thing.

 

I insist that only sells the graphical aspect and for a Simer is hardly going to find improvements at that point except the curiosity of the early days walking on the ground or flying unrealistically very low, from three thousand feet and little matter the biomes and with medium or large pay airports do not matter much biomes either....

 

2024 has two points for me very superior to 2020 and I think they should also Imolenrntar in 2020 which is the significant improvement in performance to those who suffered the dictatorship of the main thread and physics on the ground.

 

I am waiting to see what the developers can do with native aircraft for 2024 with the nm flight model to give my opinion with more criteria.

 

Another nice change is the more natural lighting, but at the moment the sim needs a lot of work, it is an enjoyable but sometimes very frustrating simulator and there are many completes to come or polish from 2020.

 

I have paid 43 Euros for 2024 knowing that it was an Alpha but you have to understand those who have paid much more expecting a much more mature product.

3 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

So simmers that don't want to fly a sim filled with bugs, are "Haters'.... Oh, OK.  

No one ever said that. This is about people trying to gaslight us into believing SU1 has no visual improvements.

 

36 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I don't think anyone hates MFS hating is a very strong thing.

 

I insist that only sells the graphical aspect and for a Simer is hardly going to find improvements at that point except the curiosity of the early days walking on the ground or flying unrealistically very low, from three thousand feet and little matter the biomes and with medium or large pay airports do not matter much biomes either....

 

2024 has two points for me very superior to 2020 and I think they should also Imolenrntar in 2020 which is the significant improvement in performance to those who suffered the dictatorship of the main thread and physics on the ground.

 

I am waiting to see what the developers can do with native aircraft for 2024 with the nm flight model to give my opinion with more criteria.

 

Another nice change is the more natural lighting, but at the moment the sim needs a lot of work, it is an enjoyable but sometimes very frustrating simulator and there are many completes to come or polish from 2020.

 

I have paid 43 Euros for 2024 knowing that it was an Alpha but you have to understand those who have paid much more expecting a much more mature product.

You claimed we were having a placebo effect for no good reason. 

2 hours ago, psolk said:

Not to hijack this thread so I wont start posting my videos here but to me

To me, it’s not about the visuals so much - yes 2024 is better but it’s not like 2020 was bad. 
 

The single biggest improvement for me is … load times! It’s so much faster than 2020 that I get more flying done. Ending a flight and starting a new one is significantly (multiple minutes) faster than 2020. That adds up. 

Massive performance improvements also - I am routinely cracking 90 fps on my hardware where 2020 with all else being equal (hardware/settings ) was at least 10-20 fps slower plus frame times were worse  

Flight model improvements, the charts, much better model matching .. all sorts of great improvements that make this so much better than 2020. The visuals are pretty much the least of it - and the visuals are amazing. 
 

So whenever you do move (and assuming they have actually fixed the bad bugs), it really will be a whole new experience. I’m excited for you! 

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by JonathanC

2 hours ago, Krakin said:

No one ever said that. This is about people trying to gaslight us into believing SU1 has no visual improvements.

 

You claimed we were having a placebo effect for no good reason. 

We can all play this game. You have been defending the indefensible for a long time now for no good reason.

3 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

We can all play this game. You have been defending the indefensible for a long time now for no good reason.

Weak response. We literally have side by side photos showing a very obvious difference between the beta and the latest release. People all over the internet have been expressing how impressed they are with the visual uplift. You came a long saying it was a placebo effect. Where is your evidence?

could we talk about the actual content instead of arguing with each other?

On 1/24/2025 at 8:16 AM, MarcG said:

Could well be, the same was said for the weekend Alpha pre-release, everyone was saying how amazing it looked and how good performance was and then, well, the official release came out and it all changed. I won't hold my breath in anticipation just yet.

Reading comments from November 2024 to today, it seems to me that the readiness of the product is an elusive concept.  The users whose primary interest is visuals seem to be the more satisfied users (still some complaints here and there) and the ones who dominate the headlines.  Not much debate/comments on actual flying/aviation so for me the state of MSFS2024 is still debatable.  I think when the PMDG and Fenix products are fully supported and stable in MSFS2024, I will transition to it.  This will be a good readiness indicator.