3 hours ago, DeCampos said:

Yeah its the only plane I fly... disappointed

I think it's time to expand your fleet then.

3 hours ago, DeCampos said:

Yeah its the only plane I fly... disappointed

I think it's time for you to expand your fleet then

  

On 4/12/2025 at 10:13 PM, Sonosusto said:

Part of it was MS/Asobo dropping buggy sim updates so I think I will just cut PMDG some slack in that very instance.

And yet, ini was able to push out 2024 native version of their A300 with in the first 2 months of release, and Fenix was able to release a 2024 compatibility patch for their 2020 A320 family.

Heck the FBW A380 works, and apparently their A320Neo works too. Not native 2024 builds, but work just the same.

On 4/13/2025 at 2:09 PM, petz_e said:

My guess is it will be at least in the $49-$59 range

The PMDG 737-600 sells for $35 USD.  If they sold the 2024 version of the 600 for $49 USD, that's more than the price of the 2020 version.

Based on what I have seen from Randazzo in the last few years, he seems like a reasonable guy when it comes to pricing (yes, buying all variants of the 737 is more pricey for MSFS 2020, but each individual variant was cheaper if you only cared about one variant, especially the 600 at $35 USD). PMDG will likely charge between $10 to $15 USD for the 737 upgrade to 2024.  One reason is that some of the other 3rd party developers aren't charging for an upgrade to 2024 (ie. Fenix), so this helps to keep PMDG in check.  Now PMDG could charge an outrageous amount like you claim, $49 for the upgrade, but the community will likely turn on them, especially when other 3rd party developers aren't charging for an upgrade to 2024.

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

23 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

 PMDG will likely charge between $10 to $15 USD for the 737 upgrade to 2024.  One reason is that some of the other 3rd party developers aren't charging for an upgrade to 2024 (ie. Fenix), so this helps to keep PMDG in check. 

I have no idea why you say this stuff  but PMDG have never made any decisions in reflection based on what other developers do (not from outsiders  that think what they should do or will do). They do their own thing and by their way. Always been like that.

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80

23 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

I have no idea why you say this stuff  but PMDG have never made any decisions in reflection based on what other developers do (not from outsiders  that think what they should do or will do). They do their own thing and by their way. Always been like that.

Well, I disagree with you based on my observation of them in MSFS.  They have caved into community pressure before, based on accepted norms with other 3rd party developers.  The most obvious example was the u-turn on copyright take down of the 737 cockpit mod: https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/199722-23jun22-eula-updates-to-make-life-simpler-for-modders-tinkerers.  Randazzo had the legal agreement changed, after the community got very angry that PMDG requested a takedown of the cockpit mod.  Almost none of the other 3rd party developers bother to police cockpit mods and other mods of their planes, and when PMDG decided to do the takedown of the cockpit mod, they effectively became the one of the few 3rd party developer that countered all the other 3rd party developers (Aerosoft is the other example that I can think of, when they requested a takedown of a mod of their Twin Otter).  In any case, when Randazzo changed the legal agreement, PMDG effectively fell in line with the other 3rd party developers, and the anger over the takedown of the cockpit mod subsided.

So we can agree to disagree.

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

17 hours ago, Noel said:

Isn't PMDG's most frequently purchased plane in 2020 the 737 series?  Puzzles me why this is the last plane to make it into 2024!

because they doing what they always do and drip selling the other items first.  

like when they drip sold the 736 before the 738 on ms2020 to get inpatient people to buy it

like when they drip sold the 747 on p3d v4 before the 737 and 777 

 

 

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by fluffyflops

11 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

 

And yet, ini was able to push out 2024 native version of their A300 with in the first 2 months of release, and Fenix was able to release a 2024 compatibility patch for their 2020 A320 family.

Heck the FBW A380 works, and apparently their A320Neo works too. Not native 2024 builds, but work just the same.

Really, hasn't this been explained to death already.  Even Aamir from Fenix acknowledged if they had to wait on the WASM components of the SDK they would have been in the exact same boat as PMDG.  They did not have the required tools b/c of Asobo.  It's been covered.  

Fenix doesn't use WASM and allowed their plane to be used with "compatibility" but no support.  PMDG as a marketplace vendor does not have that luxury.  Ah yes, there was no Marketplace, that's right.

The PMDG planes "work" if you spawn on the runway, they could have released them "as is" and offered no support like Fenix but they have an entire customer base Fenix doesn't and whatever they do has to be Marketplace ready.

This really has been covered ad nauseam with even other dev's chinimg in.

As for ini they are an MS partner, of course they got to market first and oh btw, look at the WASM issues the 350 had for it's first 7 patches... It certainly wasn't a flawless trouble free release by ANY means AND it required SU1 even with their Asobo partnership.
So PMDG will be a couple of months behind the 350 with no insider access and hopefully the WASM issues are all resolved by then.  Seems fair to me. 

 

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by psolk

24 minutes ago, psolk said:

look at the WASM issues the 350 had for it's first 7 patches... It certainly wasn't a flawless trouble free release by ANY means  

 

its still riddled with bugs after 7 patches.

1 hour ago, psolk said:

Really, hasn't this been explained to death already.

Well, to be honest, it would not have made that much of a difference, no? In many cases an addon does not work properly those days, the devs blame Msobo for it, be it a not enough documented SDK, bugs introduced in one of the latest patches or updates and and and. Not a big difference to a theoretical scenario that PMDG simply releases their products for MSFS2024 as they are and then simply direct each and every support question to Msobo. As other devs do, even for a "fully compatible" product..

There is probably enough technical debt in the 737 line that PMDG needs to rework a lot of the underlining code anyway. SU15, for example, broke their authentication on the 737. The 77 probably has a cleaner code base.

Also, with moving to 2024 they can't catch a break. Fenix releases an unsupported 2024 version and is praised. However, if PMDG did the same thing there would be pitchforks and torches. iFLY also got bit by the same SDK issues and haven't posted any sort of a firm timeline other than a dev saying it won't be fast. As a marketplace dev, PMDG had early access to the SDK and were promptly dead in the water.

And, in terms of the SDK that is not "bad documentation." There were key development tools that were flat out missing. INI had access to the SDK for a while and their a300 compatible version wasn't a day one release either. 

I think around $10-15 is the likely price, and I'd take the under. As other's mentioned the 736 is $35. Also, I hope they do some sort of package deal for folks who own more than one product.

I will say that on the whole PMDG releases very well tested and stable aircraft to it's sims. Yes, they need updates, but nothing near what iniBuilds has gone through in the last month, and as someone pointed out it still has bugs and inaccuracies and its system depth is nowhere near that of the 777, despite it being the most expensive aircraft in 2024.  For that depth and stability I am more than happy to wait a few months -- after all that A350 is just sitting in my hanger waiting for the time when it will be ready for me to use--if that ever happens.

The choice of the 777 seems to make sense to me as it was the aircraft they were in the midst of working on when 2024 was released, so they are just continuing their roadmap. And as someone noted, the 737 is likely in need of work and they want to take the time to bring 2024 features to it, including having it used in career mode. They are not planning to make it just compatible.

Personally I am more interested in getting a proper high-fidelity long haul aircraft into 2024 than another single aisle short to medium haul. So I am pleased the 777 is coming first.

8 minutes ago, Cognita said:

I will say that on the whole PMDG releases very well tested and stable aircraft to it's sims.

I agree. I'm happy to wait for an updated 738 re-developed for 2024.

You don't hear much about it, but since its release FSL's A321 has only had a couple of small updates for release bugs.

13 hours ago, regis9 said:

I would assume the 737 is their most in demand product...at the end of the day if it's not

And this will be the reason I jump ship and pick up I-Fly's MAX if it makes it to 24 before PMDG's 737 and I have doubts I'll be alone on that!

One thing I can't understand from the post is when he reference the airplanes as a group.  For example he'll say 777.  OK, but which variants?  So is the LR going to be released for 2020 or just 2024?

When he says 747, is that the -400 or the new -100?

As frustrating as the wait has been, I can't deny that their 737 (I have the -700 and the -800) has been the most polished, reliable and best performing aircraft that I own for MSFS. I don't think I've ever had a major issue with it in probably hundreds of flights.

I look forward to adding the 777-200ER to my 2024 hangar, and the 737 again when that releases.