Since the beginning of time I have been a paying customer to PMDG. I don't get free stuff from them. I have purchased everything they make and feel it is such an incredible value. Now they are extrememly sucessful and have paid salaried employees rightfully so. You need a team like they have to produce what they do. Pretty much perfection each and every time! You disagree? Feel the $77 for the 777 is unjust? Go ahead... build one yourself and see how that does.... in 30 years you may beat PMDG. Currently the Captainsim exists. Haters will hate. Jealousy is hard to hide. PMDG is here to stay keeps making the number one products possible, set the bar so high it's hard for others to get close. Some have now!! Fenix airbus' are the PMDG for that jet lineup. Glad for them!! But for Boeing PMDG wins and will keep winning ... the new lineup is impressive. For $77 at the grocery store last like what ??? 24 hours? Have kids? more like one day!

PMDG 777 will last years for $77 the gift that keeps on giving. I would be fine if it was $177.  Good thing they are in the masses now with X-box otherwise it would be $177.

Just my two cents. I'm exhausted by all the angry users.... but they're here to stay just as PMDG is as well.

PJ

 

 

mmmkaayyy. 🙄

I cant bake my own bread but are not willing to pay 50 euro's per loaf.

You would be fine if they charged $177? At that price hardly anyone would be buying and they would up out of business quite quickly. PMDG use to be good but from what you see from other developers ranging from Fenix to IFly the quality seems to be a lot better and that they actually take on feedback and not brush it under the carpet. You don't get narcissism behaviour. If you expect the same old ported products at the price they release it at fair enough. Generally the feedback from this release is the worst I've seen for them. Slowly they are making it worst for themselves. You've got content creators giving bad feedback, forums, the official Discord. Maybe if they listened to some of the real pilots on here who have sent them support feedback and didn't do anything with it shows they really aren't good at customer service you can see that on the forum anyway. It will be only a matter of time and well PMDG won't be brought has much as you think they will.

Whatever others think, I personally feel that the PMDG 737 is a superb aircraft. There is a reason why I have been flying it almost exclusively since 2014.

13 minutes ago, JETPETER2 said:

Since the beginning of time I have been a paying customer to PMDG. I don't get free stuff from them. I have purchased everything they make and feel it is such an incredible value. Now they are extrememly sucessful and have paid salaried employees rightfully so. You need a team like they have to produce what they do. Pretty much perfection each and every time! You disagree? Feel the $77 for the 777 is unjust? Go ahead... build one yourself and see how that does.... in 30 years you may beat PMDG. Currently the Captainsim exists. Haters will hate. Jealousy is hard to hide. PMDG is here to stay keeps making the number one products possible, set the bar so high it's hard for others to get close. Some have now!! Fenix airbus' are the PMDG for that jet lineup. Glad for them!! But for Boeing PMDG wins and will keep winning ... the new lineup is impressive. For $77 at the grocery store last like what ??? 24 hours? Have kids? more like one day!

PMDG 777 will last years for $77 the gift that keeps on giving. I would be fine if it was $177.  Good thing they are in the masses now with X-box otherwise it would be $177.

Just my two cents. I'm exhausted by all the angry users.... but they're here to stay just as PMDG is as well.

PJ

 

 

Chill on the $177. But I generally agree, they've been here for 25 years so they're clearly doing something right. Airbus devs come and go and it seems PMDG outlasts them time and time again so unless people vote with their wallets then we're all talking in circles. As good as other devs may be it's just not a Boeing so again unless you're fine with CS, Bredok and Bluebird (2030?) then PMDG is as good as it's going to get.

Ive been happy with them and the pricing is ok for me. They are right at the limit of what i expect to pay for aircraft of this caliber and for me the value proposition has been met. Some expect lower i guess and that's ok. No hard feelings if one passes on a product. That's their decision and i respect that.

Cant please everyone.

They have a monopoly and exploit it. That is sensible from a business perspective, but the market is ripe for a disruptor to come in. If someone releases a 7x7 that is say 80% of PMDG quality for say 60% of the price.. lots of people will jump over. I just see PMDG pretty much stagnating and doing the same planes over and over.. this worked well for them, but if Fenix or a similar quality dev goes after them with a Boeing lineup.. things will get fun for the consumer. 

I agree that PMDG do build pretty decent aircraft.

 

However, they have a greedy business model that is not really value for money. This 777 is a fine example.

 

Anyway I will have my full say soon enough.

2 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

They have a monopoly and exploit it. That is sensible from a business perspective, but the market is ripe for a disruptor to come in. If someone releases a 7x7 that is say 80% of PMDG quality for say 60% of the price.. lots of people will jump over. I just see PMDG pretty much stagnating and doing the same planes over and over.. this worked well for them, but if Fenix or a similar quality dev goes after them with a Boeing lineup.. things will get fun for the consumer. 

I don't think i would be moved by an aircraft giving 80% with a 60% of the price. I would be moved if a new product segment was created objectively ABOVE PMDG quality and would be willing to pay a slight premium for it. I would like all the failures to be replicated .. all the circuit breaker switches to work in a non scripted fashion and a flight model as close to real as allowed on the current platform + a high quality sound set and external modelling.

But then again I can only speak for my own interests.

For now i am content ..The product is repetitive across the platforms that is to be expected and fatigue at some point is going to set in for people who have purchased it over and over but the business requires revenue to keep existing. 

Most argue the price tag or business model without the slightest idea on what it takes to create such masterpieces from PMDG's or any other high-level developer for that matter. No point of going deeper or try to explain, you would need to be a developer to really understand the monumental amount of coding, debugging and testing work that involves just to produce one single iteration of an aircraft not to mention the level of deep systems model, flight model we all expect from them. Most of us want "as real as it gets" well then you have to pay the price otherwise go for Carenado...lol...Humanity, It is what it is!

 

Edited May 6, 20251 yr by CarlosF

As a long time PMDG consumer, I don’t hate them but I no longer think of them as the pinnacle of FS development. 
 

When P3D came along I was pleased that PMDG would be making planes for it. When different versions of P3D came along, and I had to repurchase planes, that was an instant turn off and made me more cautious of that company. I was already questioning the high add on price (due to “lawyer fees”), but rebuying a similar add on more than once, made me look at them like any other business. No more “must buy” or “good will” for them. Now they are charging full price per variant? I’m all for a company paying its employees, but I’m also all for me keeping my spending reasonable. Especially with the prices rising on everything these days. 
 

I do not hate PMDG at all, but I am no longer a loyal customer. Hate seems like such hyperbole. I think many on this forum think the same way. 

Are people upset about the price or is it people just upset with what you get for the price?

When I say for the price I mean in all areas, systems, FM, animations, lighting, texturing, modelling and sound design. Personal opinion but to me, all of these areas have major importance but that's just me.

I don't really have an issue with the price, but at these price points, I am definetly going to nit pick in areas that are important to me.

I often look to JustFlight for a really good pricing model and I get alot for the price. The BAe 146, for £52 I get all the variants that came with that aircraft and a very highly modelled aircraft in all of the areas I mentioned, as-well as failures (Not that I really use that). I can verifably say I get a lot for the price with that purchase. I genuinely do struggle to say the same for the 777 lineup. Their 737 lineup is a lot easier to digest because of what you get though.

Edited May 6, 20251 yr by Lucky38i

It is quite a big price to pay for a DLC product, but I have to re-iterate a post I read on this topic a while ago which I couldn't agree more with. We have to remember that flight simulation in general is a niche hobby, and the sorts of aircraft products that PMDG develop are also a niche, so what we're effectively talking about is a product which is a niche within a niche. The market size is probably very small and the research and development work that goes into it is expensive. At the end of the day they are a business and they need to make a profit.

 

Longer response than I thought so feel free to ignore this...

My general take is that I try to keep everything in perspective. I do believe some people take their criticism too far to the point where it comes across as personal, or perhaps stems from ego, more than anything. However, I do acknowledge that PMDG addons, and really any other addon, are not perfect and have their issues. Some issues are more glaring to me, than others but that's more subjective so I try not to be militant about it and harp on every single related thread about those things. Rather, I am more grateful for the work these devs have provided the community and I do believe their contributions as a whole are a net positive.

I do believe that if you were to compare their prices to others in the community, it seems a little high for what you get. The a320 is $68ish and the -200er is $77ish and as I said in the other thread, once you start adding in variants the differences are even more apparent. However, as I also said, I am certainly not privy to the operating costs (salaries, benefits, number of employees, etc) of PMDG so I'm not as inclined to take such a hardened stance on whether they should charge that amount or not.

From what I read, what I feel is most justified is how PMDG responds to criticism. If a group of people are criticizing a certain aspect of their product such as flight model, PMDG should be more transparent and engage the community more publicly about those things and whether they are looking to improve upon or whether they feel their current implementation is justified. Staying quiet is not helpful and just allows criticisms to get louder and possibly more contentious. I also realize that some things are more subjective than they may seem so there is some artistic interpretation is expected.

Edited May 6, 20251 yr by Kevin_28