18 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have tried XP over the years, and every time I do, I am disappointed in how outdated it always looks. XP 12 which I just tried, was no exception, and now my impression is even worse, coming from MSFS 2020. Going to be a really hard sell to get anyone to give up MSFS  and switch to XP, that's for sure. 

Funny thing about 'the look' - serious flight sims don't consist (mainly) of the look. I just wrote another post about that elsewhere 😉 

 

14 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

People around here seem to think that Avsim is the centre of the flightsim universe. 

IT ISN'T???? 😲😱

22 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

A lot of users on Reddit beg to differ. 
People around here seem to think that Avsim is the centre of the flightsim universe. 

So your argument avsim is not center of universe but regit is? It kind of silly LOL 

14 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

So your argument avsim is not center of universe but regit is? It kind of silly LOL 

That’s not what my argument is though, is it?
 Kind of a silly assumption for you to jump to don’t you think. If you have trouble reading English I could perhaps break it down in to basic first school stuff style for you, I can even include some pictures. 
 

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by Ianrivaldosmith

31 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

So your argument avsim is not center of universe but regit is? It kind of silly LOL 

Yeah, the couple of dozen  X plane posters on Reddit..😁

I just want people to be aware that there are other excellent simulators out there.... especially for the OP.... maybe he's happy using FSX or P3D...  But 2020 is great, same with 2024, and also same with XP12.

No one has to just use one sim, what would be the fun in that?

28 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

That’s not what my argument is though, is it?
 Kind of a silly assumption for you to jump to don’t you think. If you have trouble reading English I could perhaps break it down in to basic first school stuff style for you, I can even include some pictures. 
 

Silly assumption create another silly assumption ! But go ahead put some pictures and basic stuff from "first school" (whatever it means) LOL

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by sd_flyer

14 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, the couple of dozen  X plane posters on Reddit..😁

How do you know? BTW - screenshots from 2 mins ago (regarding 'centre' ore not):

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by uwespeed

42 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

That’s not what my argument is though, is it?
 Kind of a silly assumption for you to jump to don’t you think. If you have trouble reading English I could perhaps break it down in to basic first school stuff style for you, I can even include some pictures. 
 

Ever since you've failed miserably at MSFS VR, you've been on this extremely negative tirade of tantrums with the very users you've once got along with here.

What happened to you? It's not our fault the whole MSFS VR experience didn't work out for you.

You've been very bitter about MSFS and the populace of this forum section in general ever since.

Always something snarky with you when someone posts about enjoying MSFS....

Go get some sunlight and fresh air...it's just a video game and we are not your enemies!💡

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by blueshark747

2 minutes ago, uwespeed said:

How do you know? BTW - screenshots from 2 mins ago:

 

I said Reddit, can't you read?

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by Bobsk8

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

I said Reddit, can't you read

Cool down ... it was only to show that avsim isn't the centre of flightsimming.

This turned into a garbage thread. IMO it really doesn’t help the original author out. Surprised the moderators have let it continue this long. Must be a slow day.

 

 

4 minutes ago, uwespeed said:

Cool down ... it was only to show that avsim isn't the centre of flightsimming.

There is no known center of flightsimming! There is only "my sim better than yours, and I can't sleep because you are not using my sim" LOL

3 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Or maybe it’s his agenda 😉 

If he has an "agenda" then it's to obtain stutter-free performance.  But that's not the type of agenda you're talking about, is it?

 

 

1 hour ago, uwespeed said:

Funny thing about 'the look' - serious flight sims don't consist (mainly) of the look. I just wrote another post about that elsewhere 😉 

 

IT ISN'T???? 😲😱

I keep seeing implications like this. 

what, exactly, makes MSFS an unserious flight sim relative to XP or P3D or DCSW…?

4 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

The demo sucks but once you load up free map enhancement and free simheaven it's a pretty good sim.  The skies can look on par with MSFS or even better at times.

Yep, the DEMO does way more to dissuade new potential buyers than it does to sell the product.  I'm glad it's there but offers little to nothing over 2024.