2 hours ago, jon b said:

Even the dang landing lights

Noooooo!!!!  If Brits starting saying "Dang!" the world is just..... over!  😄

Hoping for a nicely done passenger cabin ala Fenix quality with this 787 plus systems depth and big operators liveries-eg. Qantas, Hainan Airlines, All Nippon Airways ANA, Air Canada, United, American, etc, plus a reasonable price point, can't wait for further announcements.

In the meantime, been using the Horizon 787 mod plus the default Asobo 787. 

Edited February 26Feb 26 by amsfsx02501

2 hours ago, Keirtt said:

@Vector Studio

 

Was just about to ask: What`s our Vector, Victor?

Well, seemingly a (not so) new kid on the block. Happy to see what`s coming.

10 hours ago, Vector Studio said:

The answer to your main question is Yes. We have team members that have worked on many aircraft over the years for many sims and in particular FS20 and FS24 with extensive knowledge of the aircraft and sims.

We have active 787 pilots on our dev team also.

Hi Vector. Quick question - I am reading reports from Reddit that on Discord, your team is claiming the 787 is already VATSIM capable: 

 

Can you confirm that your 787 is already VATSIM capable? Thanks!

Well this is all about time.  No high/higher end 787 in MSFS (2020 or 2024) has been a big gap in the market.  I was hoping PMDG would fill this gap but they seem to have other priorities.

Bruce

8 hours ago, JYW said:

Noooooo!!!!  If Brits starting saying "Dang!" the world is just..... over!  😄

Watched Napoleon Dynamite too many times 😂 plus it’s about the only suitable word you can get through the “ word not allowed “ filter.

“Chu££in” would have been my first choice 😁

1 hour ago, brucewtb said:

Well this is all about time.  No high/higher end 787 in MSFS (2020 or 2024) has been a big gap in the market.  I was hoping PMDG would fill this gap but they seem to have other priorities.

Bruce

I think PMDG gave subtle hints in the past that they could be working on a 787 for MSFS.  But the 787 would have always been a lower priority than their 747.

I assume the owner (or owners) of the Vector project are smart people, especially if they are spending their own money, and relying on the sales of their 787 for their income.  The one thing you probably don't want to do if you are a small and unestablished developer, is to announce you are working on a specific project that competitors are also eyeing, because that will just kick start a race to release the product first from your competitors.  I think Bluebird's announcement of the 757 and 767 was safe enough, because none of the other established developers (ie. PMDG or iFly) had said they wanted to do a study level 757/767 (but there is still the risk that Bluebird announcing it, could have kick started a race with PMDG, iFly, etc).

Bluebird has announced they want to do the 787 (maybe not so smart of Bluebird in hindsight, now with Vector also racing to complete the 787).  PMDG has hinted they may also do a 787, but of course, the 747 was their priority before the 787. If the folks at Vector are smart, their version of the 787 is probably advanced enough, and is far enough down the line in completion, that it's safe for Vector to announce the 787 at this point in time.

Now if Vector isn't that far down the line with their 787, and they still have a lot of work to do, then it's possible that making this 787 announcement could hurt them.  For example, PMDG could reprioritize their 787 (if they are actually working on one) to try to beat Vector to the market.  This is why it's risky for unestablished developers to make such announcements.  Established developers like PMDG can make these types of announcements, especially if they have a working version in P3D already, because it tells the rest of their competitors that they have a study level version in P3D, and all they need to do is convert it to MSFS, so you better stay out of the way and not compete against us.  Unestablished developers though - I think it's a huge risk for them to announce it, unless they are sure they are close to the finish line.

One of the best examples I can think of is CYUL for MSFS.  In this case, it was an established developer, FsimStudios, who announced they would do CYUL, and even gave updates of their work on CYUL for the longest time. What happened in the end? Before FsimStudios could release their CYUL, two other developers jumped out of nowhere - MK Studios and BMWorld/Amsim, and announced CYUL but those two developers practically had a completed version of CYUL when they announced it.  In hindsight, both MK Studios and BMWorld/Amsim used FSimStudio's announcement, and FSimStudio's updates on their CYUL progress, against FSimStudio.  The result? FSimStudio recognized that their CYUL was not good enough compared to MK Studios and BMWorld/Amsim, and FSimStudio did not release their CYUL. All that time FSimStudio spent on their CYUL was wasted, and they lost a lot of income by being too slow.

For this reason, if the folks at Vector are smart (and they probably are), they are probably quite far along with their 787, and I do believe them when they say they will release this year. I could be wrong though, I guess we will see. But certainly, if I was dependent on releasing this 787 for my income, I would be pretty careful about when I announce it, so that I don't repeat the mistake that FSimStudio made with CYUL.

Edited February 27Feb 27 by abrams_tank

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Hi Vector. Quick question - I am reading reports from Reddit that on Discord, your team is claiming the 787 is already VATSIM capable: 

 

Can you confirm that your 787 is already VATSIM capable? Thanks!

The messages from Discord are:
 

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Question: flightsim developers in recent years have split what vatsim ready means, it either can fly A-B and do basic navigation or its fully fleshed out fbw a380 was the perfect example of the term being misused

Answer: I want to fly her in VATSIM, as realistic as possible, that should tell you the standard

 

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Question: Will it be VATSIM capable?? Please.

Answer: 100% yes! Already is actually.

 

Edited February 27Feb 27 by Zangoose

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

Bluebird has announced they want to do the 787 (maybe not so smart of Bluebird in hindsight, now with Vector also racing to complete the 787).

I felt a little uneasy about the bluebird statement of intent being made so early. With their 757 still being developed and their 767 to do after that, I think we’d be lucky to see the 787 anytime in the next 5 years. 
In the meantime I thought the danger was that the BB announcement might have deterred other developers from starting a 787, I’m glad to see that now isn’t the case.

I’m intrigued by the choice of the name project griffin , being an amalgamation of 2 creatures, could this be a hint of something?

48 minutes ago, jon b said:

I felt a little uneasy about the bluebird statement of intent being made so early. With their 757 still being developed and their 767 to do after that, I think we’d be lucky to see the 787 anytime in the next 5 years. 
In the meantime I thought the danger was that the BB announcement might have deterred other developers from starting a 787, I’m glad to see that now isn’t the case.

I’m intrigued by the choice of the name project griffin , being an amalgamation of 2 creatures, could this be a hint of something?

I can see why Vector wasn't deterred by Bluebird.  Bluebird more or less implied their 787 wasn't coming out anytime soon, they said their 767 would come after their 757, and then the 787 would come after their 767.  That's many years down the road, and Bluebird hasn't even released their 757 yet 🤣.

Something like Quality Wings would be a bigger threat to Vector, but we now know that Quality Wings likely isn't completing their 787 for MSFS.  So I think PMDG would be next major threat to Vector, but PMDG stated their 747 was their next priority after the 777, so that gave Vector some time.

Interestingly, the FSElite staff, Calum, posted this comment, when they were grilled by their site users on how credible Vector is:

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It’s called an embargo. Nothing more to it than that.

Don’t forget your tin hat!

So let's assume that Vector's 787 is already VATSIM capable, as per what they claim on their Discord channel.

If Vector's 787 is already VATSIM capable, I'm thinking FSElite wouldn't go out of their way to post such a huge announcement about Vector, unless their staff (ie. Calum) had a chance to test Vector's 787. FSElite is also putting their reputation on the line by making such an announcement.  When I read Calum's comment there, I get the feeling that FSElite has probably tested Vector's 787 already, especially if it's already VATSIM capable, and that gave FSElite more reason to post the announcement.  I am pretty sure FSElite know what they are doing, they have a reputation to maintain.

I do think Vector probably have an advanced 787 product, and their claim that they will release in 2026 seems credible, especially if FSElite has done their due diligence. We will find out more at FSWeekend, but this would tarnish FSElite's reputation if they are reporting on a project that is in its infancy, rather than its later stages, especially because FSElite wrote in that article:

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We can attest to the team at Vector being active developers for a long time, behind projects and aircraft already out in the marketplace. This is a team who want to build an advanced and complete airliner experience with an attention to detail.

PS. This is all conjecture and my own educated guess by the way. I have no inside information, I am just using the public information available to form an educated guess.

Edited February 27Feb 27 by abrams_tank

17 hours ago, Vector Studio said:

We are pleased to formally introduce Project Griffin, our upcoming Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner long-haul aircraft for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.

Known internally for some time, Griffin represents our most ambitious aircraft project to date. It is being developed with a clear objective; to deliver a modern widebody simulation that prioritises depth, accuracy, performance and long-session usability.

Project Griffin is being developed with active Boeing 787 Dreamliner pilots on the Vector team; ensuring real-world operational experience informs every stage of development. From cockpit workflows to system logic and day-to-day usability, pilot insight is embedded directly into how the aircraft is designed, tested, and refined.

Our goal is not simply to reproduce an aircraft visually, but to build one that feels coherent and credible across all phases of flight, from cold and dark preparation through cruise and into arrival.

Key pillars guiding development include:

• Accuracy in modelling and system behaviour
• High visual fidelity inside and out
• Performance-conscious design
• Immersive audio and environmental detail
• Support for shared and collaborative flying experiences

This is not just another aircraft release. It is our vision of what the best long-haul aircraft in flight simulation should be. Coming in 2026!

We will also be present at FSWeekend in March and look forward to engaging with members of the community there.

Further details can be found at www.vector-sim.com

Interesting news! Made my day. We really need a high fidelity 787 in the sim. AFAIK the Asobo one is alright but systems wise leaves much to be desired. Bluebird sim had hinted at a 787 but that's probably in the distant future. 

18 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

And re: their track record, see my post above about what FSElite says, apparently the Vector devs being active for a long time already behind other projects and aircraft.

That post from FSEilite is a marketing nothingburger. Cloudy statements about devs having long been active behind other projects.

What other projects? In what capacity?

Edited February 27Feb 27 by Farlis

41 minutes ago, Farlis said:

That post from FSEilite is a marketing nothingburger. Cloudy statements about devs having long been active behind other projects.

It could be, it could not be, hence why I said "FWIW" on the FSElite statement.. at the very least they appear to be not brand new to the flight sim add-on development scene.

Vector also obviously seem further along in development than the usual "let's-show-a-3D-model-and-announce" mode some other projects have started off with and disappointingly went nowhere (especially given what I'm reading on their discord, i.e. them doing daily test flights for a while already, etc). They also seem far along enough to have a presence at the upcoming FSWeekend show.

I'll be looking for independent reviews/takes and other news coming out of there, along with their discord to get a feel for how serious and mature (or not) this project is. Proof obviously will be in the pudding.
 

What will be will be, Que sera sera...

 

15 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

It could be, it could not be, hence why I said "FWIW" on the FSElite statement.. at the very least they appear to be not brand new to the flight sim add-on development scene.

Vector also obviously seem further along in development than the usual "let's-show-a-3D-model-and-announce" mode some other projects have started off with and disappointingly went nowhere (especially given what I'm reading on their discord, i.e. them doing daily test flights for a while already, etc). They also seem far along enough to have a presence at the upcoming FSWeekend show.

I'll be looking for independent reviews/takes and other news coming out of there, along with their discord to get a feel for how serious and mature (or not) this project is. Proof obviously will be in the pudding.
 

Yup, we will know by FSweekend. Even better if Vector allows attendees to test out their 787 at FSWeekend, just like Bluebird allowed attendees to test out their 757 at FS Expo last year.