When flying IFR, on clearance, we are assigned an initial climb ATL, say, 5000. We takeoff and start to climb... But the FS9 ATC, instead of calling us when we are reaching 3500-4000 (on our way to 5000), it waits until we are at 4700 to give us the next assigned ALT. Is there any way to alter any FS9 ATC parameters to change this behaviour, so that ATC will call you and give you the next ALT, say, 1000-1500 feet before reaching the next assigned ALT to avoid the anoying leveling and climb cycle?This is specially painful when flying Jets, which normally climb very fast on VNAV. BTW, the FS9 ATC does the same thing on descend.Thank you in advance,kerke

don' think so. Like the incessant traffic calls for traffic on your six, I think it's to keep you "involved". Just bust your altitude and ATC will clear you higher anyway.scott s..

When flying IFR, on clearance, we are assigned an initial climb ATL, say, 5000. We takeoff and start to climb... But the FS9 ATC, instead of calling us when we are reaching 3500-4000 (on our way to 5000), it waits until we are at 4700 to give us the next assigned ALT. Is there any way to alter any FS9 ATC parameters to change this behaviour, so that ATC will call you and give you the next ALT, say, 1000-1500 feet before reaching the next assigned ALT to avoid the anoying leveling and climb cycle?This is specially painful when flying Jets, which normally climb very fast on VNAV. BTW, the FS9 ATC does the same thing on descend.Thank you in advance,kerke

Radar Contact v4 will set you free.CheersBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO

I usually set my altitude 200 ft higher than the one atc gives and its a rare occasion that I hit it before they give the next one. This way you're not leveling off and then climbing or decending constantly. Hope this helps.

Radar Contact v4 will set you free.CheersBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO

Hmm, I don't have any problem with the conplaints mentioned in this thread. I am curious about this Radar Contact that have been mentioned. How does everyone feel about Radar Contact? I was reading Avsim's review of v4.01 and the only thing they mentioned that I see has as annoying is that they do not give out the taxi path. I don't know if that is real world accurate.

RC is a million times better than default, get it.

RC is great, while the default ATC in FS s.cks. And busting your altitude isn't appreciated in RC :( after 3 times they're threatning with legal issues :( hehe.Just forget FS's ATC and buy RC. It works in both FS9 and FSX and is a great tool. It will give you instructions in time to get a normal climbing profile, considering there're no ALT restrictions. Go and check out their website!

How does everyone feel about Radar Contact? I was reading Avsim's review of v4.01 and the only thing they mentioned that I see has as annoying is that they do not give out the taxi path. I don't know if that is real world accurate.

RC is a million times better than default, get it.

RC is great, while the default ATC in FS s.cks. And busting your altitude isn't appreciated in RC :( after 3 times they're threatning with legal issues :( hehe.Just forget FS's ATC and buy RC. It works in both FS9 and FSX and is a great tool. It will give you instructions in time to get a normal climbing profile, considering there're no ALT restrictions. Go and check out their website!

Despite the "hard sell" above, reading the small print suggests Radar Contact seems to be only a partial substitute for FS's ATC. As far as I can make out it does not communicate or interact with the AI traffic around you. That won't bother some, of course, but to many that is a total no-no.Can anybody confirm this?John

Yea that right, it pretty much just concentrates on your, with AI or Taxi to runway or gate instructions. It is also just IFR flying, so if you enjoy VFR, this probably isn't for you. I believe in the next version they are planning to address some of those things.For me, I fly pretty much a 50/50 mix of VFR and IFR and the default ATC with AI Smooth is pretty much the best combination for me personally.

Despite the "hard sell" above, reading the small print suggests Radar Contact seems to be only a partial substitute for FS's ATC. As far as I can make out it does not communicate or interact with the AI traffic around you. That won't bother some, of course, but to many that is a total no-no.Can anybody confirm this?John

True as I've tried RC. The only one that does interact with AI traffic is Multi-crew Experience (MCE).Jim D.

True as I've tried RC. The only one that does interact with AI traffic is Multi-crew Experience (MCE).Jim D.

Thank you both. I'm trying to find out more about MCE, but perhaps we are straying too far to discuss it further here.Kindest regards,John

Despite the "hard sell" above, reading the small print suggests Radar Contact seems to be only a partial substitute for FS's ATC. As far as I can make out it does not communicate or interact with the AI traffic around you. That won't bother some, of course, but to many that is a total no-no.Can anybody confirm this?John

That's not true. RC4 will communicate will AI if you want it to. It's optional. I've been using RC for years and if you're an IFR flier there's nothing that comes close to ATC. Can some improvments be made of course, but if you want better than default ATC, RC is the way to go.Bill M

RC is best for US flying and PFE for Europe, due to the voices.Both interract on their own ways with AI. Cant say anything about MCE.

That's not true. RC4 will communicate will AI if you want it to. It's optional. I've been using RC for years and if you're an IFR flier there's nothing that comes close to ATC. Can some improvments be made of course, but if you want better than default ATC, RC is the way to go.Bill M

Can you expand on how RC4 handles AI? From what I understand, all it does is that it stops them or moves them out of the way in order to "part the waters" for you. That is all. They are still under MSFS ATC control, that is they get their clearances, taxi, takeoffs, arrivals, and landings under separate MSFS ATC control. You are still in your own little RC4 ATC world separate from the rest of the MSFS world, and RC4 only handles AI in so far as it takes to get them out of your way when necessary.For me, with the amount invested in AI traffic and scenery around the world (not just the USA), to disconnect my own little user plane away from the "world" built in MSFS would make all that work a complete waste. So, the question is whether RC4 is at the point where it can replace the MSFS ATC module for both the player and the AI world in MSFS?

First there is the comms:Enroute RC will call out traffic targets to you and you'll also here the AI cautioned about your presence (if they are on your frequency) and their response.You'll hear AI in your phase of flight on your frequency.Second Control:AI are near your landing runway are frozen once tower clears you for landing. This is to prevent runway encroachment.Within limits AI are moved if on a similar heading to a parallel path.Not always but when you are on final approach AI behind you will be slowed up and in front speeded up, again within limits. Not all respond to this control.Otherwise AI are under MS control obeying their compiled routes and FS AI control.I use the freeware AI Smooth to improve FS AI control within the airport control boundaries such as spacing them out when there are unrealistic bursts of AI.Version 5 of RC will get much deeper into AI control such as taxi protection, etc. That is still quite a ways off. If you go to the RC forum on AVSIM you'll find a blog about its progress. This version is much more complex.All voices heard in RC 4 are recordings by real people including AI aircraft pilot voices. The US (including Southern Accents), England, Italy, Denmark, and Scotland accents are used and spread among other jurisdictions. I may have missed something.RC allows more flexibility on how the pilot interacts with ATC. The features table is here:http://www.jdtllc.com/Feature%20Chart.htmalthough it is a bit outdated (new improved transparent RC window) being based on 4.1.Download the manual and tutorials for version 4.3 here:http://www.jdtllc.com/documentation.htm

Can you expand on how RC4 handles AI? From what I understand, all it does is that it stops them or moves them out of the way in order to "part the waters" for you. That is all. They are still under MSFS ATC control, that is they get their clearances, taxi, takeoffs, arrivals, and landings under separate MSFS ATC control. You are still in your own little RC4 ATC world separate from the rest of the MSFS world, and RC4 only handles AI in so far as it takes to get them out of your way when necessary.For me, with the amount invested in AI traffic and scenery around the world (not just the USA), to disconnect my own little user plane away from the "world" built in MSFS would make all that work a complete waste. So, the question is whether RC4 is at the point where it can replace the MSFS ATC module for both the player and the AI world in MSFS?