Everyone who has a P67 motherboard pay attention to this: Intel has just started a recall for all their new motherboards because they found out that the SATA ports will fail over time. So don't go buying a P67 motherboard until this is fixed. As for people who already have it, I think that you'll be able to send it in for repair. Unfortunately, this will cost Intel more than a billion dollars which is deffinately not a good thing. I am deffinately not looking forward to disassembling my new rig. :(

LOL Brilliant!!!

The CH Products joysticks are the highest quality and will have the lowest chance of breaking. Every other joystick has had issues in terms of reliability. I highly recommend CH Products.

Have you owned the Saitek Yoke? Just curious as I always wonder when people say things like this.I have owned both. My CH Yoke became very unreliable after about 3 years of use. Going on 3 years with this Saitek now and it's as good as ever! Not to mention ergonomically the Saitek is much better and feels like those more expensive --big-- aircraft yokes. :( Like a Beech' yoke...

Im getting around 45-60fps around australian airports with everything set to maximum and orbx scenery loaded in aus and rex. Hopefully it should be enough....

Your eyes, my eyes, and everybody else' eyes has the ability to see roughly ~25 fps (not talking about computer performance here). Example: If you're looking at a car that drives past you, it'll happen in ~25 fps to your eye, and your brain will pick it up and sense it as smooth. I'm not getting into computer specs or setup, because I don't know enough to even discuss the best way to setup FSX But in theory everybody should be happy if your FSX runs 23-28 FPS, because your eyes wont see the rest anyways... However, of course your system must run very smooth if you're having 50-60 fps, compared to just having 25...I think you'll be just fine!

nobody complaining that the angle of the third bezzle within the accuators is 4 microns out of alignment with the wing strut![/img]

hey, I am. no joking about this, please. just booked another flight to measure the diameter of the rear toilet to be able to compare it with the NGX. :( seriously. paid beta testing sounds a bit, well, smelly, after that airsim*** desaster. not that pmdg would ever do the same, they are just smart enough not to go this route

But in theory everybody should be happy if your FSX runs 23-28 FPS, because your eyes wont see the rest anyways...

I've never bought this - I notice a huge difference between 30 and 45 FPS. I also notice a difference between 45 and 60, but I cap it at 45 as 60 is fairly unlikely in most payware scenarios. (Not disagreeing with the biology of the human eye though!)

However, of course your system must run very smooth if you're having 50-60 fps, compared to just having 25...

It does; 25 vs 45 FPS is a world of difference! I get a headache after a few minutes of TrackIR at 25 FPS.

I've never bought this - I notice a huge difference between 30 and 45 FPS. I also notice a difference between 45 and 60, but I cap it at 45 as 60 is fairly unlikely in most payware scenarios. (Not disagreeing with the biology of the human eye though!)It does; 25 vs 45 FPS is a world of difference! I get a headache after a few minutes of TrackIR at 25 FPS.

There is a reason for this -- I'm a brain researcher, and interestingly enough it's been found out that the brain DOES discriminate between higher FPS levels: even though 24 or thereabouts is the smoothness threshold, with increasing FPS scenes are perceived as being more realistic.. some studies even report the brain can discriminate up to 700-1000fps!

IIRC- I read a piece several years ago about EFIS technology on real aircraft. It had mentioned something to the effect that screens had to update at least 60 times per second to appear completely fluid to the human eye. So as far as I know, the displays on aircraft have a refresh rate of 60 times per second since it is the minimum rate that can not be detected by the human eye. I would imagine the same holds true for your computer screen. I personally shoot for 30fps if I can get it because even though it is half, it still allows for fluid movement and more importantly does not delay control inputs. Perhaps someone with PMDG can confirm the refresh rate figure on real EFIS.Ian Grant

I've never bought this - I notice a huge difference between 30 and 45 FPS. I also notice a difference between 45 and 60, but I cap it at 45 as 60 is fairly unlikely in most payware scenarios. (Not disagreeing with the biology of the human eye though!)It does; 25 vs 45 FPS is a world of difference! I get a headache after a few minutes of TrackIR at 25 FPS.

Good thing I'm not selling my knowledge since I'm not a doctor. I might be a bit jealous of everybody's good performance tho. I'm just saying what I've read in my atpl books, and doesn't even wanna go into how that affects your vision when looking at TV and games, since I have no idea of the relations.

There is a reason for this -- I'm a brain researcher, and interestingly enough it's been found out that the brain DOES discriminate between higher FPS levels: even though 24 or thereabouts is the smoothness threshold, with increasing FPS scenes are perceived as being more realistic.. some studies even report the brain can discriminate up to 700-1000fps!

Oh okay. So you're saying that ~24 fps is where the eye will tell the brain that something is smooth, however the eye can registre much more than that, and the brain can "handle" ~700-100fps?

in FSX higher fps is more than just frames per second,, everything runs faster,, view changing, and also panning your head around the flightdeck is much quickerand smoother,, thats how i measure my fps without a reading

Beautiful work fellas. This ranks up there with Whale I as far as release excitement.

I have a G15 - not sure what would really be of use to have on it for the plane though.

Really not? Well that's sad, since I got a G110 some months ago with FSX and the NGX in mind, sorta. I was hoping to be able to assign custom NGX functions to G keys. That would make up 36 additional keys for me and even more for the G15 users, like 54 or so. Since this is known to be a mostly VC driven plane and I am certainly not a fan fiddling around with the mouse trying to find clickspots (really prefer solid hardware buttons at fixed locations...) I had hoped it would have been useful. Maybe though it will be possible to assign weird arsurd keystrokes like CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+something to a couple of the custom functions (say MCP) and assign these to the G keys via the Logitech software. I am pretty much convinced we won't be able to assign G keys directly from within the simulation (even FSX does not seem to allow this, although I would love if it actually did...), but this workaround would do for me in the end.

Like everyone else on this forum i am very much looking forward to the release of the PMDG NGX. Could somebody tell me are there any plans to offer a paid Beta aircraft, much like DCS did (more accurately are doing) with the A-10? This method seems to offer everyone a happy ending, PMDG get money for there product, they get legions of beta testers, people who don't want to beta test have the chance to wait for the full release.Personally i don't see a downside to this.ThanksIan Tyldesley

I seriously doubt that PMDG will start to sell a product that doesnt exist yet like Airsimmer did. It's highly unlikely

Thomas, humans can detect much more than 25 'fps' - it's not an old wives tale, it's a proven fact. The USAF carried out tests in which pilots were repeatedly able to see and identify an image of an aircraft that was displayed for only 1/220th of a second. It is highly likely that humans can perceive changes at a rate of many, many hundreds of hertz as is mentioned above.The optic nerve is only a few centimeters long and it transfers electrical pulses from the retina at speeds comparable to a 10/100 Mbit ethernet cable. Thus the brain is receiving and processing optical information on a continuous basis at a rate of tens of millions of bits per second.It is worth keeping in mind that the brain does not depend on receiving a complete 'image' in order to distinguish changes in optical information. The brain cannot receive a complete image from the eyes anyway due to the location of the optic nerve. The resulting blind spots have to be compensated for by the information provided by the other eye.

Thomas, humans can detect much more than 25 'fps' - it's not an old wives tale, it's a proven fact. The USAF carried out tests in which pilots were repeatedly able to see and identify an image of an aircraft that was displayed for only 1/220th of a second. It is highly likely that humans can perceive changes at a rate of many, many hundreds of hertz as is mentioned above.The optic nerve is only a few centimeters long and it transfers electrical pulses from the retina at speeds comparable to a 10/100 Mbit ethernet cable. Thus the brain is receiving and processing optical information on a continuous basis at a rate of tens of millions of bits per second.It is worth keeping in mind that the brain does not depend on receiving a complete 'image' in order to distinguish changes in optical information. The brain cannot receive a complete image from the eyes anyway due to the location of the optic nerve. The resulting blind spots have to be compensated for by the information provided by the other eye.

Thanks.. This is getting way more in-depth than my Human Performance ATPL book is! I stand corrected.. But I was close!