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I along with, I suspect, many have versions of REX and ASE. I seem to recall some discussion about how REX Essential would stack up against Active Sky 2012. I wonder if anyone has had the time and is in the position to give us a little insight regarding that question?

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I guess we have to wait. It was asked four times on one of the REX-E topic, but nobody was so kind to answer that yet.

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Hello

One function of the Active sky series that I could not be without is the historical weather.

I fly in the evening after work so the live metar download will never match flight time I use in the sim (daytime)

So if I choose to fly at 14:00 hours, with AS2012 I can grab the correct weather for 14:00 this is very useful.

 

REX Essential cannot do this so I would be stuck flying using that evenings conditions for a daytime flight which would not be realistic as evening conditions are usually quieter with cooler air temps.

 

Even though I have bought REX for both FS9 and FSX I have never used the weather part of it as I never had any success with any of the previous WeatherMaker programs from the same programmer.

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Does anyone know if the new REX weather system can work on a seperate machine? I have Active Sky running on a networked machine and would like to keep my setup working that way.

 

Cheers

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The thing I preferred with Active Sky, was the clarity of the weather reports when setting up FMCs, for things like cruise alt wind predictions and airfield winds and temps when doing reduced thrust take off. Now REX has that displayed in a bit more of a friendly way, and it also does a similar interpolation of weather in regions without specific reporting stations, it stacks up pretty well against AS.

 

Still think AS has a nicer interface, but REX is now a lot better than it was for more than simply the eye candy aspects, so its 'one-stop-shop' ethos is now more credible than it was; where it used to be simply the best for visuals, it now stacks up against AS in the weather generation and reporting features too.

 

I like em both, but since I've lost the install file for ASE and can therefore no longer install it, and REX gave me a freebie update which I can still get the install file for, I'm going with REX.

 

Al

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Does anyone know if the new REX weather system can work on a seperate machine? I have Active Sky running on a networked machine and would like to keep my setup working that way.

 

Cheers

 

Yes you can. They have a sticky in their support forum with a step by step guide.

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Does anyone know if the new REX weather system can work on a seperate machine? I have Active Sky running on a networked machine and would like to keep my setup working that way.

 

Cheers

 

Pretty much on the same subject, anyone knows if the new REX Essentials work together with Aivlasoft's EFB in the same way you can have AS2012 "connected" to EFB?

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i have a few zillion flights with ase/as2012....but only five or six with the new rex engine...

 

so i've been holding off on making any this or that comparisons until i mess with it more. but here's a few first impressions:

 

1. i still like the as2012 interface better, particularly for flight planning. rex's flightaware integration looks neat, i'm not sure if i'll subscribe yet since a lot of my flying isnt real routes anyway. my main sticking point is not being able to see temps and things like average winds on the weather report, fsbuild reading the info for fuel planning also means i was still loading as2012 to get that data before planning lol...

 

2. i have not done enough flights to vouch for the accuracy one way or another, in general winds and temps at the final airports seemed about right, winds aloft seemed way better than the old rex engine but prone to a little jumping around sometimes but not bad... on a couple flights the temps seemed kind of high, like staying at 15-20C up to 15000 feet and things like that, but i was flying in some weird weather i didnt crosscheck all that stuff very carefully yet... and to be fair there are issues like this with as2012 current version too..

 

3. the cloud textures imho ..have to give a salute to REX...they just seem to have great drama and personality

 

4. the cloud/weather simming stuff in REX has some really cool eye candy for sure. some awesome 3d looking structures like on the front line of storms, and stuff like that, looked really good..!!! this was easily the thing that impressed me the most, a very strong sense of the clouds not just being a random scattering of the relevant type. i enabled the enhanced thunderstorm stuff and those looked really good too, not really sure what's different there but nice job for sure.

 

5..i also saw a few glitchy things from time to time... a couple good overcasts but there was also one that mysteriously disappeared, same as always happens lol... i really need more flight time on it before i can say this is solved any more or less than as2012 does it but i think it's one of those limitations of fsx things and also can be mitigated by more studied settings.. it's not a magic bullet, although i get the feeling the stock settings are very tilted towards GA type flights and there are a lot of options to check out.

 

5. as another settings issue, i had typical s-turn things with turbulence and the ngx with the stock settings... but things smoothed out nicely with reducing the relevant sliders and it got farily smooth... anyway until i get to experiment with it more i can't really say but it looks promising

 

6. for the free price it's a REALLY impressive upgrade... overall i'm very positive about it so far

 

cheers

-andy crosby

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Pretty much on the same subject, anyone knows if the new REX Essentials work together with Aivlasoft's EFB in the same way you can have AS2012 "connected" to EFB?

You can Richard, but you need to use Vatsim weather selectable in Rex ESS

 

i have a few zillion flights with ase/as2012....but only five or six with the new rex engine...

 

so i've been holding off on making any this or that comparisons until i mess with it more. but here's a few first impressions:

 

1. i still like the as2012 interface better, particularly for flight planning. rex's flightaware integration looks neat, i'm not sure if i'll subscribe yet since a lot of my flying isnt real routes anyway. my main sticking point is not being able to see temps and things like average winds on the weather report, fsbuild reading the info for fuel planning also means i was still loading as2012 to get that data before planning lol...

 

2. i have not done enough flights to vouch for the accuracy one way or another, in general winds and temps at the final airports seemed about right, winds aloft seemed way better than the old rex engine but prone to a little jumping around sometimes but not bad... on a couple flights the temps seemed kind of high, like staying at 15-20C up to 15000 feet and things like that, but i was flying in some weird weather i didnt crosscheck all that stuff very carefully yet... and to be fair there are issues like this with as2012 current version too..

 

3. the cloud textures imho ..have to give a salute to REX...they just seem to have great drama and personality

 

4. the cloud/weather simming stuff in REX has some really cool eye candy for sure. some awesome 3d looking structures like on the front line of storms, and stuff like that, looked really good..!!! this was easily the thing that impressed me the most, a very strong sense of the clouds not just being a random scattering of the relevant type. i enabled the enhanced thunderstorm stuff and those looked really good too, not really sure what's different there but nice job for sure.

 

5..i also saw a few glitchy things from time to time... a couple good overcasts but there was also one that mysteriously disappeared, same as always happens lol... i really need more flight time on it before i can say this is solved any more or less than as2012 does it but i think it's one of those limitations of fsx things and also can be mitigated by more studied settings.. it's not a magic bullet, although i get the feeling the stock settings are very tilted towards GA type flights and there are a lot of options to check out.

 

5. as another settings issue, i had typical s-turn things with turbulence and the ngx with the stock settings... but things smoothed out nicely with reducing the relevant sliders and it got farily smooth... anyway until i get to experiment with it more i can't really say but it looks promising

 

6. for the free price it's a REALLY impressive upgrade... overall i'm very positive about it so far

 

cheers

-andy crosby

Great summary Andy. I am in the same boat as you, getting relevant data for programming the NGX is important for me, and AS2012 does that very well.

I have a very stable network, and run most tools on it like As2012 EFB etc, but REX just won't play the game, crashing all the time, so I am about to give up on it.

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I am running both ASE2012 and REX2OD, and now having downloaded and installed REXE, am running that - all over SimConnect. REX has always played ball with me on the network and REXE does the same. As for comparisons, first impressions of REXE are very good. I agree it has limitations with respect to certain functionality of ASE, but I didn't use many of those features..I agree the lack of historical weather can be a bit limiting (the ability to set the ASE time to the sim or RW time is great.)

 

As for actual depiction, imho, REXE blows ASE right out of the water..I have been doing some very non-scientific GA comparisons, and tbh, I won't ever use ASE's textures again, and when REXE-OD comes out..oh my!

 

The haze and transition layer depiction is truly a revelation. I was flying around PNW last night, and I don't use ENB or Shade, but I swear REXE haze has given me subtly different atmospheric refraction of light and the like..truly amazing flight at 0830 local time..the light was amazing; the clouds were amazing, but it was the haze that got me:

 

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I've posted several comments in other threads - but I'll summarise. REXE is very good, the new textures are a noticeable improvement over those in REX and REX OD. In terms of the weather engine - it depends what you're looking for in a weather engine. If you're like me, and fly PMDG aircraft you'll know how important fuel planning is using wind charts (as they do in real life) - the issue with REXE here is that they do not use the same data that is published on wind charts (such as http://www.aviationweather.gov/data/iffdp/2503.pdf) so if you're doing a trans-atlantic flight you cannot predict the winds over the atlantic (or any other ocean for that matter) as the winds REXE report have (so far for me) been TOTALLY different to what the charts report, not only for over the atlantic. Regardless of whether these winds are accurate or not, in real life these wind charts are literally the only source of what to expect in regards to winds in places such as the Atlantic - so we can assume they are fairly accurate. This is a deal breaker for me, fair enough it isn't an issue a lot of people care about, but when PMDG release their T7, and people are needing to calculate fuel for a 14 hour flight, incorrect winds could very easily result in you either running out of fuel, or landing with too much.

 

On the plus side, REXE's engine does have one advantage over AS2012, and that is it has superior fog generation, especially in regards to creating the illusion of fog without the use of stratus clouds - however, I have been informed that the AS developers are currently working on improving their fog generation.

 

If you're mostly doing GA flights, or short-hauls, then there's certainly no need to purchase AS2012 over REXE as you're not going to care what the winds are at FL340. If you are more concerned about the accuracy of winds, then I'd recommend Active Sky - especially if you're flying over oceans.

 

On a personal level, regardless of how else the engine performs, if it's giving me false data in one respect I'll doubt the accuracy in other areas. For 90% of my flights, incorrect aloft winds aren't going to have any impact, but it's the fact they're wrong that bugs me.

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but since I've lost the install file for ASE and can therefore no longer install it

 

Fyi, I lost my file also but emailed the developer, gave all my purchase info and was able to obtain the installer again.

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Flex1978 - I wonder if in fact networking something like a real-weather program would save much if any processing on your FSX machine. Your FSX PC has to maintain a connection and data has to be written into memory whether received across a network or through an internet connection, and it has to be processed by your GFX card and sent to display.

 

That's me just wondering, I'd be glad to hear other opinion and be guided accordingly.

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I agree 100% with spesimen's review. Perhaps with some adjustment of settings it will be better. I will have a hard time using the AS weather engine over REX just because the environment is so believable and it seems as though the upper wind data is much more accurate than old REX. But on the other hand, the software is really bad; AS is far better for planning flights and getting weather data summarized for flight planning. We also need a way to get data into FSBuild.

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We also need a way to get data into FSBuild.

If it is the same way as FSC et al. (point it at your REX metar folder) then choose VATSIM weather in REXE and point your program at the VATSIM folder in the REXE folder structure..If not, then I don't know

 

I wonder if in fact networking something like a real-weather program would save much if any processing on your FSX machine.

I think you're probably right here..Something like REX didn't really trouble my system, although when using the new REXE UI with an open PDF document causes my mouse cursor to reaaaly slooow down..For me, SimConnect/WideFS is really for stuff like RC4 which just cripples my machine.

 

I am using REXE locally now, and REX via SC and there's really no difference. In fact, REX2-OD has a higher impact on my system than REXE, so the claims of "negative impact" of the new textures seem to be just about right...Flying through heavy weather with REX2OD textures can hit me for at least two to three frames; with REXE I have yet to see what I would call a weather-relaated slowdown ymmv obv.

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Hmm..well, there is an option to use archived weather data in REXE. And to be fair to it, it does have pretty comprehensive plan weather reports..so on both those counts it sort of matches up to ASE. I can't see how to load a .PLN into it though, so that's not great..Perhaps I'm missing something R'ingTFM now :smile:

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Flex1978 - I wonder if in fact networking something like a real-weather program would save much if any processing on your FSX machine.

 

Hi,

 

For me it's just about keeping my FS PC as clean as possible and knowing every single CPU cycle is going towards the simulator.

 

I also use my networked PC as an instructor station and payload loader so like to have access to all my external apps without minimizing the sim.

 

Regards

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I can't comment on the exact up to the minute accuracy of the weather data in REXE, or how much easier or difficult it may be for detailed flight planning, as I am not into that aspect right now. Active Sky has always been the undesputed leader in that regard up til now, and may still be as far as I know.

 

As far as portraying the dramatic grandeur of the ever changing sky, the immensity of our atmosphere, and the sheer sensual delight of flying in it, REX Essentials has it. It is very nearly a game changer for it's near perfect believability.

 

Kind regards,

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Textures: REXE

Weather Engine: AS2012 merely for its speed

 

My biggest issue with REXE is the amount of time it takes to initially load the program which is about 2 minutes (doing all the weather downloads and interpolating etc) and the amount of time it takes to actually inject weather. With AS2012 the program is ready to roll in about 30 seconds and the weather is injected in a blink of an eye.. REXE it's a minute long process injecting weather. When I'm in the mood to fly I just want to load up and go.. Not waiting around for everything to "cook". So I use REXE for its textures and use AS2012 or FSRealWX for my weather engine.

 

This is all personal opinion obviously and chance it's user error on my end. I've played with all the REXE settings and haven't been able to get around this.

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Hmm..well, there is an option to use archived weather data in REXE

 

Hello

The Archived weather function only has weather you have previously downloaded available from its dropdown menu, there is no archived weather server available as in ASE.

So it is impossible for anyone wanting to fly in the correct daytime weather for a daytime flight when flying after work at night to have the correct winds and temps available.

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Hmm..well, there is an option to use archived weather data in REXE

But, only weather from your own system that was previously downloaded by you (REX). I do not see the ability to download archived data from their system, which is a shame considering their "cloud" based system that shares flight plans, themes, etc.

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So has anyone used REXE textures with the AS2012 weather engine? would you say its the best combo or should one use REXE with REXE weather engine

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You won't go wrong with either. Personally I prefer Rex Essential just because of all the features included. With all of the HD weather textures included.

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.. Not waiting around for everything to "cook".

Do you like your turkey to be served running around the thanksgiving table with its wings flapping? :Chicken:

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