Do the FF 777 simulate the Fly By Wire logic in it's full extent? That is certainly simulated perfectly in the PMDG.

Vnav better in the FF777? I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. Mine just barely does the job. When it's not oscillating, grossly overshooting the planned route and so on.

 

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Vnav better in the FF777? I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. Mine just barely does the job. When it's not oscillating, grossly overshooting the planned route and so on.

 

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I know that many people report problems with VNAV in the FF 777. I really do not know why is that, but I never had any problem with VNAV (there were some issues with LNAV, which were solved).

Do the FF 777 simulate the Fly By Wire logic in it's full extent? That is certainly simulated perfectly in the PMDG.

It'd be handy to provide some proofs. Not that I doubt the veracity of your claim, however without substantiating evidence your statement of 'fact' is just plain hyperbole ...

If you hope for a fair comparison you should do that ... otherwise I could just as easily say ... yes it does ... but I'll be up front and say that I don't REALLY  know because I've never flown a T7 in real life ... and I'm guessing neither have you!

 

 

It'd be handy to provide some proofs. Not that I doubt the veracity of your claim, however without substantiating evidence your statement of 'fact' is just plain hyperbole ...

If you hope for a fair comparison you should do that ... otherwise I could just as easily say ... yes it does ... but I'll be up front and say that I don't REALLY know because I've never flown a T7 in real life ... and I'm guessing neither have you!

 

True, but we can:

 

1) Read the manuals, including the Boeing documentation that comes with the PMDG 777, or FF777 for that pourpose;

2) Set some test scenarios

3) Use flight inputs, observe control surface response both from outside views and using the proper displays

 

and from here drive our conclusions :-)

 

I did that, just I am almost sure Alec did as well, and so far the system IS simulated and exhibits a very plausible functionality. It can also be turned off ( not sure this is possible in the FF 777 ) in it's various components...

 

I am re-installing X-Plane 10 from scratch, clean install, no scenery (OSN, Photo, nothing), just plain vanilla 10.22, for the Saab 340, but I decided to test the FF 777 and compare a few flights and situations between the two 777s I own.

 

I will report back my findings. I even think that, the poor CPU allowing, I can fly both at the same time in windowed modes, and keep looking at the outcome :-)

It'd be handy to provide some proofs. Not that I doubt the veracity of your claim, however without substantiating evidence your statement of 'fact' is just plain hyperbole ...

If you hope for a fair comparison you should do that ... otherwise I could just as easily say ... yes it does ... but I'll be up front and say that I don't REALLY  know because I've never flown a T7 in real life ... and I'm guessing neither have you!

You'd have to feel it, as it reacts to your joystick movement (as close as is possible in a sim) For example it limits the angle of bank, but like the real 777 if you push harder, it will allow you to override that limit.

Orbx taking control of FSX as its chosen platform buy the looks of it . I think this will have an impact 

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/420261-orbx-is-up-to-something/

 

In the next 5 years will be called ORBXfsx IMO

Just a quick look at some documentation will make it clear if this is simulated or not in your favorite addon!

 

For example. simple test, get your 777 flying a stable cruise attitude, disconnect your AP, go to the external view, look at the 777 Tail and press the Pitch Trim Up button on your joystick. If sou see the elevator moving, the 777 FBW got it right, if you see the horizontal stabilizer moving, then it's not correct as Boeing Documentation says.

 

Another one, try to, using pitch trim only, make it stall by bringing the nose up, without moving your elevator axis. The FBW won't le you do it, it will stop at a point right before the Stall. These test doesn't require the simulation of the Yoke Variable Feel that is built in the real 777. and you can easy check your FBW system for accuracy.

 

I'm not attacking any addons, just asking questions for users of the X-Plane 777 to test it and let us know, I don't have the 777 addon for X-Plane, so I can't test it myself!

 

 

I'm not attacking any addons, just asking questions for users of the X-Plane 777 to test it and let us know, I don't have the 777 addon for X-Plane, so I can't test it myself!

 

I will test it for you Alec :-)

 

I re-installed X-Plane10 this morning because I am really thinking about that Saab 340 :-)

 

Just as I did with FSX, I have a very conservative install. In FSX I have only a few add-on aircraft, and the PMDG 777 of course :-)))). I use two weather injectors depending on what I'm up to. No add-on scenery ( plain FSX scenery only, with autogen actually bellow what most recommend, no AI traffic at all, in the air, land and seas.  In X-Plane10 exactly the same!

 

I intend to make comparison flights on the FF WL 777 and PMDG 777, using identcal routes, staring with ISA weather, then I'll have to find how to test perfromance in the presence of aloft winds and non-ISA temperature profiles...

I've heard that the PMDG777 couldn't simluate as it should an engine-out problem and that this situation should be better simulated in the FF 777, is that true?

Orbx taking control of FSX as its chosen platform buy the looks of it . I think this will have an impact 

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/420261-orbx-is-up-to-something/

 

In the next 5 years will be called ORBXfsx IMO

 

You are in no way obliged to buy anything from Orbx, Zoran.

So please explain your comment on how are they "taking control"?

What they are doing is bringing a much needed kick up the jacksie to the default FSX world.

To steer myself back on topic, that will have a direct impact upon potential X-Plane convertees.

I re-installed X-Plane10 this morning ...

 

OMG ... you must be a genius in time management  :lol: ... installing, then uninstalling, reinstalling, uninstalling, reinstalling, ... not only X-Plane, but also FSX (maybe even more sims?). Doing such things with a plane isn't this time consuming, but a whole sim ...

Wouldn't it be easier to install once and if not used for some time, simply letting it on the HD? Hard disks aren't this expensive today  ^_^ .

When I get mad at some one I shout at him / her...

When I get mad with a sim, I uninstall it...

 

Well, it would be great if we could uninstall some people we have to deal with sometimes :-)

 

I really get mad at X-Plane 10 quite often, as you and others have certainly noticed, but then, from time to time, I come back and give it again...

 

FSX is a different matter... I had moved to P3D, and didn't want to have both on my system, but unfortunatelly there are many add-ons that will run only in FSX, the PMDG 777 being a good example, so, I had to re-install FSX :-)

 

To give you an exanmple of two sims I never got mad at / uninstalled - ELITE and DCS ;-)

When I get mad at some one I shout at him / her...

 

When I get mad with a sim, I uninstall it...

 

Your defragmenter must get some workout :lol:

Your defragmenter must get some workout :lol:

 

Yep, and my poor disks :-)