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Does that mean flight stick are coming to console ?

No, it means that they're developing it for the crowd who thinks GTA V is a better flight simulator than FSX (I have actually seen people say this more than once before). How deeply, deeply disappointing. Remember that thread they made asking us what we'd like to see? Looks like they just went "Pffft LOL lets make an airplane game : P :D : P :3  !!!1!!1!!11!"

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Probably realized how garangutan task it is to build a flight simulator and decided to salvage the project with some kiddo kiddo point and fly.

 

Oh well. I love my FSX :D

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Sounds like some of you have never played FSX or P3D with an Xbox controller... It's actually pretty darn satisfying since it's easy and accessible, having that little joystick under your left thumb for elevator/aileron. The right thumbstick for leisurely looking around and the two triggers for rudder... No need to purchase any extra hardware if you don't want it. They might even throw in Kinect later on for headtracking.

 

And it might bring a bit of new interest to flight games/sims from hardware manufacturers, since it's a new audience (and a pretty decent sized audience at that).

 

I'd say, don't knock it until you've seen it in action. It might actually be interesting if they take it seriously :P.

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Wow...Lots of bubbles just went KA-POWWW!! For those who were holding out hope...Sorry...It's not fun for anyone to hear this sort of news.

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Sounds like some of you have never played FSX or P3D with an Xbox controller... It's actually pretty darn satisfying since it's easy and accessible, having that little joystick under your left thumb for elevator/aileron. The right thumbstick for leisurely looking around and the two triggers for rudder... No need to purchase any extra hardware if you don't want it. They might even throw in Kinect later on for headtracking.

 

In my opinion using an X-Box controller for FS is not exactly "realistic". Joysticks/Yokes make FS realistic. And how can you engage LNAV/VNAV, for example, on an X-Box controller?! It may be fun for some, but not for flight sim enthusiasts who want want their experience to be as realistic as possible. Most of us at Avsim want maximum realism, so I'm expecting a lot of disappointment. (I know I'm disappointed. I realize I'm saying this at a really early stage, too. I hope DTG proves me wrong). 

 

But for those who say that the future of FS is bleak, don't worry! X-Plane will remain the awesome desktop sim it always has been! Once FSX gets too old I see most of us going over to XP. 

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Once FSX gets too old I see most of us going over to XP.

 

Once it gets too old? It's already old!

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In my opinion using an X-Box controller for FS is not exactly "realistic". Joysticks/Yokes make FS realistic. And how can you engage LNAV/VNAV, for example, on an X-Box controller?! It may be fun for some, but not for flight sim enthusiasts who want want their experience to be as realistic as possible.

This is meant in the least offensive way possible, but it's only more realistic in people's minds. It's a bit of plastic with springs/elastics. It's not more realistic in any physical way except for being in the shape of a yoke. If you have ever, and I mean ever, held the controls of an actual aircraft in flight (large or small) you will know that no yoke from Saitek or CH is close to realistic. Again, not meant to offend anyone. It's just my opinion (as sim and actual pilot).

 

Anyway, it should be interesting and it's still a long way away. They might make it more like MS Flight with GA aircraft focus. They could implement Kinect stuff to manipulate certain controls. And on the PC I'm pretty sure you'll be able to hook up whatever you want :P.

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I don't have an issue with a flight simulator on an Xbox because that doesn't affect me....whatsoever actually.

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This is meant in the least offensive way possible, but it's only more realistic in people's minds. It's a bit of plastic with springs/elastics. It's not more realistic in any physical way except for being in the shape of a yoke. If you have ever, and I mean ever, held the controls of an actual aircraft in flight (large or small) you will know that no yoke from Saitek or CH is close to realistic. Again, not meant to offend anyone. It's just my opinion (as sim and actual pilot).

Ever played Call of Duty? Either X-Box, Playstation or Wii? How realistic do you think it is to use your thumbs and fingers to hunt down and kill the enemy? A soon as I got COD (and I have all of them), I got the "rifle grip" for the controller, so at least I was shooting with what seemed pretty close to a gun, and not a controller.

 

Same with the yoke and throttles and rudder pedals on FSX.  There is no way I'd ever fly something like the PMDG or A2A fleet using an X-Box controller. Hell, I wouldn't even fly the Cub that way. In your words, not to be offensive, but flight simming on a Playstation or X-Box is more the game than the sim. I don't PLAY FSX, I fly a simulator. Just my $.02, of course.

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Not surprising. And given that it's coming so soon, it's almost certainly just FLIGHT rebooted with possibly some new lighting or something. 

 

It'll almost assuredly be a small area by they'll build out from with in house DLC. If it were any wider in scope, it wouldn't be coming out in 2016. Anything dumped out in a year's time is going to be limited. 

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*sigh* here we go again.

 

Flight actually had a lot under the hood that was really promising, and a great flight engine. Yes it was released a bit piecemeal but it had amazing potential. Just because it also catered for beginners doesn't invalidate what it could have become. How about waiting and seeing what else DT have to say...?

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This is meant in the least offensive way possible, but it's only more realistic in people's minds. It's a bit of plastic with springs/elastics. It's not more realistic in any physical way except for being in the shape of a yoke. If you have ever, and I mean ever, held the controls of an actual aircraft in flight (large or small) you will know that no yoke from Saitek or CH is close to realistic. Again, not meant to offend anyone. It's just my opinion (as sim and actual pilot).

 

Anyway, it should be interesting and it's still a long way away. They might make it more like MS Flight with GA aircraft focus. They could implement Kinect stuff to manipulate certain controls. And on the PC I'm pretty sure you'll be able to hook up whatever you want :P.

I see where you're coming from, but I can tell you that a my Saitek stick is more realistic than a Xbox controller. I have 40 hours in a C172R as well and will be licensed next month. Anyway no offense taken and I'm all open for different opinions. If there wasn't any variety then life would be boring! And it's good that you seem satisfied. My personal preference is less-gamey though so I see XP as doing well in the future for the more serious people. 

 

 

Once it gets too old? It's already old!

 

Hahaha, yeah that's true, but many are still using it. So I guess I mean when a lot of people stop using it. I realize P3D is popular but I think FSX still has a larger user-base. Could be wrong though. 

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It has been possible to hook up steering wheels and other types of controllers to Xboxes for quite some time now, so not sure why this is a concern. Modern consoles are far closer to a PC than the Nintendo and Sega machines of the past.

 

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/categories/racing-wheels

 

The big question should be around what the sim covers and what add-ons/DLC will be available.

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They keep confusing the issue though, they say it's based on MS Flight technology, which everyone assumes is MS Flight, but the very next words they state "that aviation buffs have held in high regard for over a decade." Which obviously was long before MS Flight, so I have to question again, do they really mean FSX code? Which would be from that time line.

 

 

 

Due for release in 2016, Flight Simulator which is built using the foundations from Microsoft’s famous Flight technology that aviation buffs have held in high regard for over a decade.

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Wow...Lots of bubbles just went KA-POWWW!! For those who were holding out hope...Sorry...It's not fun for anyone to hear this sort of news.

 

:good:

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Gotta love Avsim. Always looking at the downside instead of the upside in the infinite cycle of holding on to 9 year old technologies.

 

Here are some upsides for you:

  • Peripherals - After racing sims, "which by the way an F1 car has more switches than most GA aircraft" made their way to consoles, peripheral and controller manufacturers quickly aligned their business to offer a plethora of new products. We saw realistic force feedback controllers, amazing build quality, affordable home cockpits, etc quickly take hold. With USB connectors being standard, did you ever think this could be a great think for the underwhelming products we have on PC?
  • Windows 10 cross compatibility - Phil Spencer (Head of Xbox) has made it clear that they want to integrate Windows 10 and Xbox Gaming as much as possible, one could potentially be running their Flight Sim from their PC in another room and have a cockpit setup somewhere else in their house while still having access to their PC features
  • The Flight Sim is not a "first to Xbox" product - The real press release here: http://www.dovetailgames.com/news/2015/aug/4/dovetail-games-looks-to-the-future-collaborating-with-microsoft does not state that the flight sim is going to be a ID@Xbox product that will be self published. A console port is usually where pain points are seen and DTG clearly chose not to go that path. This means it will be optimized for modern PC architecture first as opposed to the other way around and clearly DTG knows that the bulk of their long term customers for this platform will be on the PC. Just like Rockstar saw with GTA V, but they did their release backwards trying to accommodate last gen consoles. 
  • Console computing power and architecture - Lest we forget that consoles are now x86 architecture and probably have more computing power than most of your PC's. That similar architecture to a PC and power will ensure that, once again, an underwhelming port over isnt likely to be an issue. An Xbox is a PC, infact a powerful one, just with less buttons. 
  • Mouse and Keyboard support is planned for the Xbox - Phil Spencer also stated that mouse and keyboard support is planned for Xbox users. This will again close the gap as the Xbox is looking to be an extension of ones Windows 10 PC experience. 
  • Microsoft Flight was a great platform with a poor vision - I think most would agree that MS Flight (which is rumored to be the basis for the new sim) was actually pretty incredible, the problem was that the model that MS chose to pursue was horrible and ultimately led to its demise. Now I don't work for DTG or MS, but I am a competent business man and I know that anyone worth their weight in the board room would be careful to cross modern gamers with the advent of social media and the internet. The chances of them not learning from that mistake are minuscule especially considering that the publisher "payware" model of modern gaming was still in its infancy when MS Flight launched. We already pay for addons but dev's now realize that the platform and core must come first. 
  • DTG has been active in the community and asking for feedback - Most of you have already seen that DTG has gone out of their way to create discussions, write articles, host livestreams, and open their social media to ask for the communities feedback on their next gen sim. They started this months ago and the discussions continue. We also know that they are very active with 3rd party developers whether they sell through Steam or not. If DTG didnt have the simmer in mind, they would go their own way and drop what they wanted on the market without all the hooplah of entertaining feedback. We also know that 3rd parties are involved in these discussions as well as their futures depend on it. Lockheed Martin on the other hand doesnt even respond to 5% of the posts in their forums and they surely havent sold as many as FSX Steam. So what would be the point of spending time and money of all those resources if they didnt sincerely want to have the voice of the customer as part of their development process? Conspiracy? I think not. 
  • Its coming in 2016! - Come on, really? You are going to start drawing conclusions about something we havent even seen a screen shot of yet? Some industry insiders such as John V from ORBX have said that they are happy with DTG's vision after visiting their studios. He knows more than any of us and if there was something that they thought would hurt their sustainability of their business or be bad for the community, we know his outspoken self would have exposed it. 

So in conclusion, folks dont jump the gun here. It is a VERY preliminary and abstracted article from that website that doesnt tell us anymore than we already know. Just wait and see before you start losing your mind over something you know nothing about. 

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I predicted this when dovetail came along. I even remember someone saying I was bitter about another company taking on the ashes of Aces and giving it life again, I said exactly that this would happen and here we are. 

 

Outerra if it ever develops like I think it will /Xplane and LM P3D are the future of flight simulation. Dovetail has and always will be an Arcade franchise. 

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Why is everyone getting up in arms . The game itself is no more than a platform from which developers implement their "sims" .  All that matters is what independant devs put out for that platform. You can't really tell me that all of you are still flying default 737, and so now dovetail is going to downgrade your experience with this new version compared to that.

 

Take a step back and look at vanilla FSX  and tell me you are all still flying defaults and tell me how great it is?

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Why is everyone getting up in arms . The game itself is no more than a platform from which developers implement their "sims" .  All that matters is what independant devs put out for that platform. You can't really tell me that all of you are still flying default 737, and so now dovetail is going to downgrade your experience with this new version compared to that.

 

Take a step back and look at vanilla FSX  and tell me you are all still flying defaults and tell me how great it is?

 

Very true actually. I just hope it's not too "arcade-y"

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