Seems speed trees is mostly for airports add ons. Not to cover the entire globe with. So for me there will be no speed trees because I only fly in FTX regions. No big problem if they only hurt performance.

Everything default in P3D (or FSX) is slated.   We all fall over ourselves to replace any default aspect of the sim.  Aircraft, scenery, weather.  Why is ATC any exception?      It just doesn't work for me but we all see it differently I guess.

 

As said before and elsewhere it all depends on what you use it for. For GA flight and VFR it's the absolute best there is (ease of use and sound). For airliners it's another story... although no ATC add-on sounds as good as default ATC imho.

Anyone that wants to know the runways in use by AI traffic.

Pro Flight Emulator does that.

*Warning*  Silly Question coming.

 

Its 12.31pm here in Ireland and its 7.31am in the US (Washington)    So obviously that means is wont be ready for download till after 4am tonight Irish time,   yes i know i know its a terrible Question,  just wondering really 

 

 

no ATC add-on sounds as good as default ATC imho.

 

Well that's it,  i tried a free trail a while back and the voices were terrible,  couldn't understand (for me anyway) why i would even think about changing 

:Big Grin: 

Its 12.31pm here in Ireland and its 7.31am in the US (Washington) So obviously that means is wont be ready for download till after 4am tonight Irish time, yes i know i know its a terrible Question, just wondering really

You are hilarious girlfriend. :Big Grin:

 

That's just tossing a coin, and could have gone either way. You got to be in contact to get proper instructions.

 

You may as well bash your head against a brick wall, Steve. Some people will never understand that default ATC actually isn't all that bad unless you want absolute perfection.

unless you want absolute perfection

This is a serious sim for serious people who take themselves too seriously. You'd have to be Half Job Harry to want anything less. :wink:

4am tonight Irish time...

ATC should be able to pass the Turing test and we should be able to select several dialects of Irish by now.

And you think if you load down V3 with add ons and take long flights it will be OOm free.... ?   Interesting, but probably not realistic. 

 

No, definitely not what I meant. I just pointed out the fact that the people who claim to experience no OOMs is probably not using heavy addons and scenery. I am not expecting a major improvement in VAS usage in V3, but a couple of hundred or 300MB to spare would create some more headroom.  

I am not expecting a major improvement in VAS usage in V3

Then you're in for a major shock.

This release is of great interest to me. OOMs have been a persistent problem for me in P3D (and FSX before it), and that's due to a number of reasons......

 

* I prefer to run P3D at maximum detail levels. I didn't buy a powerful i5 4690k based PC to run it with sliders halfway to the left.

* I have airliner traffic density in Ultimate Traffic 2 set to 100%. I haven't spent a huge amount of time and effort adding new airline schedules, models and textures to never see them.

* I fly around a detailed rendition of the UK that includes photoscenery, ES Treescapes autogen trees, UK2000 Xtreme (and other) detailed airports, UK2000 VFR Airfields (all three volumes), and a freeware electricity pylon and wind turbine network. I also have all Earth Simulations super detailed scenery packages installed, and the ORBx FTX airfields that were developed for England.

* I fly around this scenery region "low and slow", and (at the moment) in the PMDG 737NGX.

* I have the freeware AI Ships package installed, and also lots of military AI planes from MAIW.

 

Now, I don't have all of this scenery active at the same time, but low level VFR flights in a complex payware airliner takes their toll on the current VAS management routines. They are simply not good enough in P3D v2.4 to unload scenery that is no longer required, and therefore I suffer from OOMs, even on relatively short trips if the scenery density is great enough. That being the case, any significant improvement to VAS management in v3 is like a tin of tuna to a hungry cat. In other words, it will be impossible to resist.....even though I may just decide to reinstall everything from scratch (so that I know it has been done properly). I didn't upgrade from 2.4 to 2.5 because there was nothing in 2.5 (IMO) worth the hassle, but this is a very different ball game.

 

Consider me excited, even if I do have to pay for it!

 

 

Consider me excited, even if I do have to pay for it!

 

I'm with you on this one Chris, for all the reasons you've mentioned.

If Rob Randazzo claims that VAS management has significantly improved that is enough proof for me that v3 is absolutely worth the (paid) upgrade... I'm really looking forward to v3. I just hope developers won't take ages to update installers. Kind of worries me that JV states that all global Orbx products work without changes in v3, yet he is talking about installers being released in "the next couple of months"...

I'm sure that P3d V3 will bring some improvements and I await comments from people who actually have it installed. To me, $200 seems like a big expense, given the changes.

 

But I am loading XP10 back on my system (I uninstalled it about 6 months ago to focus solely on P3d) and now have to decide which XP addons to buy. Also, the door is now wide open for DTG to make a big splash with their new flight sim.

Then you're in for a major shock.

 

I certainly hope so  :Praying:

You may as well bash your head against a brick wall, Steve. Some people will never understand that default ATC actually isn't all that bad unless you want absolute perfection.

 

Oh please, having flown in the real world for decades, default ATC is beyond ridiculous. Going from point A to point B 150 miles apart, real ATC does not change your heading by 30 degrees, multiple times, in first one direction and then the other. You can't fly out of a major  airport without being on a SId or having a star assigned on arrival in the real world. Just flying  around VFR, it's OK, but anything else, it is totally absurd. I use Pro ATC, and while not perfect, it is the closest thing to real world ATC and is available 24/7 no matter where and when you want to fly. 

I'm sure that P3d V3 will bring some improvements and I await comments from people who actually have it installed. To me, $200 seems like a big expense, given the changes.

 

But I am loading XP10 back on my system (I uninstalled it about 6 months ago to focus solely on P3d) and now have to decide which XP addons to buy. Also, the door is now wide open for DTG to make a big splash with their new flight sim.

 

How did you find the FPS in X plane compared to P3D?