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Some Windows 10 Questions

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I am currently running Windows 7 on my system. I am satisfied with it, and for the hardware that I have, my P3D runs smoothly. I have zero OOMs under my belt after flying for about a year. The Windows 10 Free Upgrade offer is expiring in a month, and I am leaning toward upgrading. Windows 10 is the future, and all future upgrades will be made for that environment, so I am thinking I will take the plunge.

 

My situation is that I have P3D V3.3 and I have...A LOT of add-ons, mostly airport sceneries and some PMDG and aerosoft planes, as well as the whole ORBX FTX enchilada (global, vector, open lc europe and alaska/canada). All of these are installed somewhere in C:\Lockheed Martin.

 

1) Do I simply upgrade to windows 10, and things remain as is? Do I have to uninstall and install my P3D and all of their add-ons?

2) For those of you who upgraded, are you regretting it? How was the transition for you?

 

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Windows 7 works great.  I guess that is why the overwhelming majority of windows users are still on it. 

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I did the upgrade around 6 months ago. I went with a clean install of Windows 10 so I had to fresh install P3D and all the addons. I'm not regretting it one bit. I like it and I don't notice a whole lot of difference when it comes to the daily use of the OS.

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Did the "Upgrade" to Win 10, Fs was a Slide Show, Waged War, and Found all New Drivers ect, improved things Considerably, but could Not Achieve Pre Install Performance. Swallowed My Pride and Reverted back to Win7. 24 Hours of Much Aggravation !!, glad I did try, and I think that if it was a Clean Install without all the Old Baggage, things would have been OK, I'll stick to Win 7 for Now !! Being an OLD A&P Mechanic, I try to live by an OLD Axiom, If it ain't Broke, Don't Fix It

 Johnman B)

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you seem to be saying you are going to do it anyway so try the in place upgrade and if it doesn't work, reinstall everything.

 

FWIW, I have two systems, one with w7 and one w10. P3d runs just fine on either but I feel I get a little better performance from the w7 system. No hard scientific evidence, just feels better. My main annoyance with w10 (home premium) is that although I've run all the tools to turn off the phoning home, I still get occasional stutters due to some background windows activity. Quite annoying at times.

 

I also know of many people who really love W10 and P3d.

 

A suggestion - save yourself a whole lot of aggravation - do a fresh install of the OS AND a fresh install of P3D and addons - you will be better off in the long run.

 

Vic

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I purchased Windows 10 first of this year after building my system (No upgrade option available).  Personally I've had no issues or complaints with the OS but YMMV.  If I were still using my older system I would have also stuck with Windows 7 as many others have.

 

If I were you I'd stick with what works and that your happy with.  Windows 10 will have another big update on August 2 so things may go completely sideways or upwards.  I can only hope for the best as its the only OS i have to use.

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I upgraded to Windows 10 from 8.1. Select the option to keep all settings when upgrading. No problems at all with PMDG, ASN, and all other addons. I had to re-register with PMDG. No need to reinstall any products. Just have to install the latest Windows 10 graphics drivers.

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Hi Damian

 

I went through this very process last weekend. I upgraded to W10 from W7. The process itself is very simple, and went by without much issue.

 

Cut a long story short, I decided on a clean install of W10 and P3D (long overdue anyway) - the upgrade alone caused P3D to pause quite often and I had blurry textures. But once installed from scratch, everything was good. There are no driver compatibility issues, everything is as it was much as before.

 

However, as my PC is purely used for flightsimming, the benefit of W10 is not obvious. If your W7 isn't broken, I'd say, don't bother. It'll cost you two days of re-installation and patience with little appreciable benefit.

 

Make sure you invest the time to shut down all of the intrusion which W10 brings.  There are a number of Youtube videos on how do do this, some better than others.

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My take.

 

Windows 7 Service Pack 1. End of extended support is 14 Jan 2020. So in less than 4 years Windows 7 SP1 will no longer be supported, in other words, no more security updates.

 

Windows 8.1 End of extended support is 10 Jan 2023

Windows 10 End of extended support is 14 Oct 2025.

 

Windows 7 was generally available for sale 22 Oct 2009. After nearly 7 years it's hardly surprising it has more users than Windows 10. And like XP before it, Win7 went through its fair share of teething problems and upgrade issues. It was also a time when 64bit went mainstream and the wait for drivers particularly from printer manufactures was pretty bad.

 

Most licenses are OEM and tied to the PC purchased. Should the PC motherboard fail you are supposed to get a new Windows license - enough said.

 

In Australia Windows 10 Home edition on DVD is about AUD$125.00 exc 10% GST so about US$93.00

 

As we all know the free upgrade from Win7 and Win8 to Win10 ends 29 Jul 2016.

 

At some point you will upgrade to Windows 10. No question. Whether by choice or due to hardware failure or desire to upgrade your hardware. Or to take advantage of the cool things that will only be available in Windows 10 such as DirectX 12.

 

To me the choice can be broken down as follows.

 

1. I have a good system and I think I will get at least another 1-2 years use before I consider an upgrade. Even then I'm likely to pass the system on to a family member.

Then upgrade to Windows 10 for free. You get a Digital Entitlement tied to your hardware and Microsoft ID that will see you through till the system dies.

 

2. I have a suspect system and I intend/hope to upgrade in the next few months. In this case there is no point in upgrading to Win10 as its tied to your hardware which you will be getting rid of. You will no doubt get Win10 with your new system.

 

There is no point worrying about upgrade problems. Face them and resolve them as they occur the same way you solve problems with your sim installs. There are no guarantees regardless of what choice you make.

 

As for me. I have a very stable Win8.1 install that's gone through 2 motherboard replacements, several video cards  - GTX 670 SLI then  GTX780TI currently GTX980TI. Addon sound cards and addon SATA for additional drives. I have 4 SSD and 5 HDD installed in a huge Cosmos case with 3 ext USB drives. Plus other addons. Programs and Features tells me I have 493 programs installed.

 

During July I will do a clean install of Windows 10 Pro. I love free.

 

Cheers,

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Upgraded an HP 23" A-I-O PC from Win 8.1 to Win10 and an 8 year old HP laptop from Win7 to 10 and I must say the more I use 10 on them the more I like it.  Been testing with them for months just my regular routine to see if I would come up with issues.  Surprisingly the old laptop is working great, just made sure I had the latest drivers it offered the ol' gal.  She does take longer to boot than the Win7 but that is not an issue.  So far I have found no need for the "fresh" virgin install.  Upgrading has posed no issues at least for me.

 

I have left the AIO completely Win10 with no programs other than what came with the PC.  The laptop I have been able to make it look work just like Win7 so I like that it is flexible that way.

 

So I will probably upgrade one of my sim PC's to 10 next week.  But first I'll make a complete partition back-up before.  The only issue I  might have is that my 2nd sim PC also serves as my home entertainment PC which means I run Windows Media Center which is no longer available in 10. But I read up on a 3rd party unofficial WMC that does work with 10 so that may finally win me over if I can find someone already using it.

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Windows 7 Service Pack 1. End of extended support is 14 Jan 2020. So in less than 4 years Windows 7 SP1 will no longer be supported, in other words, no more security updates.
 

 

One of the windows experts, Paul Thurrott, says  that the support time for Windows 7 will most likely be extended well past 2020, due to the very large number of users of that OS.  https://www.thurrott.com/

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Thanks for all of your input guys. The reason I am considering the upgrade is because it is free, I assume this "free" deal is off the table if I have to do a clean install. I do understand the benefits of a clean install. After reading through these posts, it seems like it is the best thing to do.

 

I just hear rumors of a 64 bit P3D, perhaps optimized for DX12 (not available on windows 7), and I figured this is a golden opportunity. Though I figured that I don't really feel sound knowing how all my system files will be merely migrated from an old OS onto a new one.

 

Last night I was so ready to upgrade, but the fine insight I received here makes me think that I should wait for another PC upgrade that I will do sometime in the near future, which is when I will buy a fresh copy of Win10 and install it.

 

Thanks again for the responses. I would still like to hear more of course :)

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The free deal is not off the table if you clean install. But the time limit on it's offer is approaching.

 

I suggest that if you want to clean install without upgrading over you Win 7, let Windows 7 upgrade to Windows 10 just to activate your W10 license. The license is stored in the BIOS so you only have to do this once. You can now download an ISO Win 10 installer to a USB on the MS website, format your disk and run the USB installer to get a completely clean vanilla W10 setup with no worry of rubbish, including orphaned registry entries left behind from W7. Windows will be registered immediately, no activation required.

 

I would suggest that unless you are having issues, hold off until around 2 August when the next major update for Win 10 will be released. This will also be made available as a ISO, usually a few days after it is released to Windows Update. Means you get the cleanest possible installation that does not require a huge pile of updates off the bat.

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Hi Damien,

 

In your position I would do the upgrade to get the Windows10 license. Then I would do a full reinstall (Format hard drive, new Windows10 OS).

 

Fly safe

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   Another approach in order to try before you buy (into Win10 issues), is to simply set up a dual boot. You just need maybe 100gb somewhere on your Win 7 system - hopefully SSD space, make a fresh install of Win10 (install P3D on it - L-M is OK with that - i.e. you now have two different installs of P3D - allows you to try v3.2 and then 3.3 for example). I like the flexibility and the cleanliness of fresh installs under WIn10. I will admit that I still end up on Win7 more often just because I have a lot of apps there. I feel the Win10 and P3D is smoother - fewer stutters - especially for Oculus Rift flying.

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1) Do I simply upgrade to windows 10, and things remain as is? Do I have to uninstall and install my P3D and all of their add-ons?

 

2) For those of you who upgraded, are you regretting it? How was the transition for you?

 

 

I had the sneaky forced install courtesy of Microsoft which was a surprise and made me look upon Win10 with great suspicion, however apart from a couple of drivers my upgrade from Win7 has been smooth sailing, with no problems what so ever. My Win7 install was several years old, and therefore far from fresh, which was a concern for me in making the jump, but my fears it seems were unfounded.

 

So....

 

1. For me everything remained as is, and as far as P3D (FSX and all my other games and sims) was concerned I had to do nothing at all.

 

2. I hated the fact MS forced it on me, but as it was something I intended (in my own time) to do, and there has been NO problems I am happy to be on the latest OS with the most up to date driver and development support. I like it very much and consider it one of the best OS's I've used yet. I liked WinXP and Win7 and this is as good as both of those in stability and function.

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An IT friend of mine feels that since Microsoft 's income is mostly derived from selling their OS, that this "free" Windows 10, won't be forever, and what will happen is they will start selling subscriptions like they do with office. A yearly fee to keep your OS up to date, since there will not be a windows 11 or 12, the present 10 will just be upgraded every year. Most likely, that is why it is free now. 

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Bob pretty much nails it, MS is not going to give out free operating systems and then update them at zero cost.

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Just like Apple does with Mac OS. Everything will depend on the cost of the update.

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I agree with Bob that soon it will be subscription based.  Until another OS comes out unfortunately we are stuck with Windows whether free or a yearly cost; there is no other option unless LM or DTG start supporting Mac or Linux.

 

We can try to hold onto 7 for as long as possible but eventually in the next few years we all need to move on as hardware manufactures are already making the move to Windows 10.

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My humble opinion is that a subscription OS will never happen. That will really shoot MS in the foot. Paying for updates? Nah. Selling OS's is actually a very small portion of MS's business. Certainly NOT their core business plan.

 

I also think that holding onto an old OS like Windows 7 is pretty much counterproductive, as newer software & hardware are being optimised to work together better. DX11 & DX12 springs to mind.

 

My Windows 10 upgrade went seamlessly, with only a web cam driver problem on my Windows 7 laptop. My laptop has a 'house brand generic webcab, with the last drivers being released in 2007! I fly 3x versions of FS9 & a version of P3D on this laptop. No issues at all.

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Most licenses are OEM and tied to the PC purchased. Should the PC motherboard fail you are supposed to get a new Windows license - enough said.

 

After Microsoft's stunt trying to automatically upgrade the OS on existing systems, you will have to forgive me for not giving a damn about that. As for Windows 7 support ending in January 2020, that is three and a half years from now. I will be purchasing a new PC long before then, so "upgrading" a perfectly working Windows 7 PC now is (IMO) completely pointless. The fact that it is free is irrelevant.

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For those in doubt maybe a different way of thinking about the free upgrade is in order.

Perhaps consider how updating to Windows 10 may improve your gaming experience in the months and years to come.

There is possibly 2 or more generations of graphic cards, chipsets and CPU upgrades due before 2020. Windows 10 supports DirectX12. Win10 is reportedly on 350M systems and growing. What system do we think the developers of both software and hardware will be targeting in a year or two?

 

I've taken the view that I want to take advantage of the free Windows 10 upgrade now as I know when I eventually upgrade that my more than adequate i7 with 32GB Ram will see good use elsewhere in my family. And I'll take quiet satisfaction that I have an operating system installed that will likely outlast the life of the device for free.

If we forget free for a moment - if your Win7 system failed tomorrow and you do not have a retail license of Windows 7 what version of Windows would you buy.

 

Of course none of this means sticking with Win7 is wrong, it's just an alternative view for the OP and others to consider.

 

A bunch of points follow.

 

1. The free offer expires 29 July 2016. It might be possible this could be extended but that remains to be seen.

 

2. There is no "key" associated with the free upgrade. You get what is called a "Digital Entitlement" to Windows 10 for the life of the device. There is debate as to what life means. It seems you will be able to replace Ram and HDD without much issue. I believe you may have a problem if the motherboard fails, which is the same as it works now unless you own a retail copy of Win7/8. We will see. This entitlement information is kept in the cloud and "tied" to your systems unique hardware combination. Should you need to reinstall Windows 10 your Digital Entitlement will be discovered once online and reactivated. Microsoft recently started to add this info to your Microsoft ID if you use one as there have been issues with the reactivation process for some users. This change will assist in providing proof of entitlement.

 

3. There has been no promises made about future updates being free per say. If you get Win10 now for free, Microsoft will support it with patches, improvements for the life of your device. When it dies you have to buy a new license and so on.

 

4. A purchased license or a license included with new hardware has a key and is activated the same as Win7 and Win8.

 

5. There is no method to write your digital entitlement to the BIOS. In some computers most notably laptops the license for Win7 and Win8 may have been put in the BIOS by the manufacturer. This will save hunting for your license key when you want to do clean install.

 

6. On the subject of clean installs you can now enter a valid Win7/Win8 key during a clean install. This negates the need to do a in place upgrade to get a digital entitlement and then to wipe and do a clean install.

 

7. The preview of Windows 10 Anniversary update due 2 Aug 2016 has some welcome improvements to the start menu. Get rid of those horrid live tiles and it begins to look very classy.

 

I hope there is some useful info here.

 

Cheers,

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