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Longest Sim 737NGX Flight Without Refueling?

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Hello,

 

I recently completed a flight from PHLI (Lihue, Hawaii) to KCPR (Casper, WY) in Prepar3D/PDMG 737NGX which took approximately 7 hours and registered roughly 2242 nm in the plane and 3,346 miles according to google maps.  I achieved a maximum altitude of 46K (yeah not optimum for fuel I was beginning to mush through the air at the end), started with a full tank and landed with 2.5K to spare.  I also had a full load of passengers and cargo.

 

I was trying to reach Chicago, but when it became obvious I wasn't going to make it I landed at Casper (my first time landing there too).

 

I have also flown once from Lihue to Las Vegas in the sim which is doable.

 

I'm thinking of trying to reach Anchorage from Lihue as my next attempt for long distance flights.  I don't use the simulation speed-up feature, I let it run on A/P and pop in from time to time to make sure something hasn't gone horribly wrong.  Also if you uncheck "pause sim on task switch" you can even minimize the FS window, move it to a different monitor and continue to use your PC.

 

What is your farthest flight without refueling?

 

Mark Trainer

 

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What is your farthest flight without refueling?

 

Should be interesting to see what people report back with.

 

I know SAS ran a ENZV-KIAH flight for a little while (two big oil towns, so I think it was something related to Statoil):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAS951

 

...then again, they also had additional fuel tanks, I believe.

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Which Variant of the NGX did you use, as they all get slightly different fuel economies for what they carry. 

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The longest commercial flight I can see currently is EKCH to KBOS note Statute miles (SM) are not the same as Nautical miles. For this planned flight the distance would convert to about 3400+NM. There is also a couple of private 737-700's to the same destinations, so this may actually be a charter.

 

Tom Cain

 

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAS927/history/20160805/1100Z/EKCH/KBOS

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Same here, my longest was a NAX KJFK-EKCH in the B738, 3450 nm and about 6+30.  I had to reduce the payload significantly to do the return trip so I skipped it. (Note: NAX puts their B788 on that route during peak season). I'd put 7 hr as the practical limit.

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Anchorage to several Hawaiian airports are seasonal real world flights. Have done several of those. Straight line great circle routing is only about 120 nm greater than from KLAX.

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ASA flies PANC-PHNL then PHNL-KSEA, makes a nice weekend sim journey.  However, Anchorage to Oahu is almost 1000 nm less than New York to Copenhagen.

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Another long route for the NG is Copa Airlines flight from Panama to Buenos Aires (MPTO-SAEZ). If winds are not favorable or the weather is not good, they often land at Mendoza (SAME) to refuel.

 

It's in the 737-800.

 

cheers

-E

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The aircraft isn't certified over FL410 and that high you are just wasting more fuel than you may have thought you would be saving. I am not big on random non realistic flights, there are a couple real flights that can push the 737 to the limits depending on your weights. Norwegian fly from Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm to Dubai and back. Going back with the required longer routes and wind can be at the limits of the 738. Copa has some long flights in their 737's. There are delivery flights from Boeing field you could do, a lot of island hopping in the pacific or nonstop to Europe. - David Lee

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ASA has some of the longest passenger configuration flights. I flew in one KMIA-KSEA in the winter. Then there are the ETOPS which have special fuel reserves requirements to Hawaii.

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Qantas operates seasonal services from Sydney to Denpasar (Bali) using the 737-800.

 

Full fuel uplift, pax and bags only, and a decision point on route as to whether to proceed (committed to land at DPS) or tech stop (Broome, Port Headland, Darwin - depending on the route on the day).

 

Land with about 2.7 tonne fuel remaining, so FFR plus 45 minutes.

 

With SID to follow and manoeuvring within the Bali TMA it is just a tad over 2,920 miles.

 

A very carefully managed sector.

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From boeing.com:

 

AUCKLAND, New Zealand, Sept. 17, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) Business Jets set a new world record for "Speed Over a Recognized Course" when a BBJ flew non-stop from Los Angeles to Auckland, New Zealand for installation of its VIP interiors. The BBJ, a 737-700 modified for VIP use, made the 5,658 nautical mile (10,479 km) trip in 13 hours, 7 minutes and 54 seconds.

 

Granted, this was a modified BBJ with extended fuel tanks, but still.. good stretch if you ask me.

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What is your farthest flight without refueling?

KJFK-EKGG - 738. 4000-5000 pound payload with 5500 pounds of fuel left. Same flight westbound about 2000 pounds of fuel left. I did it to see if it could be done. I entered the route into the FMC, loaded the tanks up and flew. The planner I was using at the time (Spring 2012) said more fuel was required than the tanks would hold.

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Qantas operates seasonal services from Sydney to Denpasar (Bali) using the 737-800.

 

Full fuel uplift, pax and bags only, and a decision point on route as to whether to proceed (committed to land at DPS) or tech stop (Broome, Port Headland, Darwin - depending on the route on the day).

 

Land with about 2.7 tonne fuel remaining, so FFR plus 45 minutes.

 

With SID to follow and manoeuvring within the Bali TMA it is just a tad over 2,920 miles.

 

A very carefully managed sector.

Virgin Australia fly this route too - David Lee

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Furthest flight for me has been Deadhorse PASC to Edinburgh EGPH approx 3100nm, would love a BBJ to try the longer flights......

 

G

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In Real-Life, we did a family trip to Anchorage, Alaska (PANC) from Houston, Texas (KIAH), non-stop, years ago. I believe, a 737-800. Regardless, it was roughly an 8.5 hour flight, at around 2900 nm (though Simbrief rates the flight at 7.5 hrs). Let me tell you, it obviously made the flight-distance, but for the passengers, cramped, not fed, and only feeding peanuts was about the dumbest and worst flight of cramped--ness I had ever experienced with any airline (as well as the longest, for me). The scenery below was stunning. The flight was in late June.

 

If I were to do this flight again, I think I would rather go out of Seattle, than Houston, just to shorten the flight. It was uncomfortable, and I felt cramped the whole flight. Not to mention, no food is just ridiculous for an 8.5 hour flight. I never knew these small planes could be so versatile on long-haul flights. I never realized that these smaller planes could fly so far, for so long.

 

However, I see why Boeing is retiring the 747 since their smaller planes can literally do the same longer flights that they couldn't years ago. Considering the flight from New York to London is around 3100 nm miles, perhaps there will be a change from the airlines to the smaller 737? Seems the business model is steering that direction.

 

I took a video of the landing, and posted on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=takH6csSTpo).

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However, I see why Boeing is retiring the 747 since their smaller planes can literally do the same longer flights that they couldn't years ago. Considering the flight from New York to London is around 3100 nm miles, perhaps there will be a change from the airlines to the smaller 737? Seems the business model is steering that direction.

 

The 747 isn't disappearing because smaller planes can take its place. The 747 is disappearing because similarly sized (or slightly larger) aircraft can do the same work for less fuel due to fewer and more efficient engines: 777, 787, and A350. Large aircraft are still needed for longer routes to be able to carry more fuel without compromising the ability to bring in revenue (via passengers or cargo), the ability to carry higher loads at a particular time (as opposed to higher frequency with lower comparative loading), and fly much longer distances than the 737 could without additional tanks.

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Boeing Field - Dublin.

 

Ryanair delivery flight

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I just added a BBJ livery to my B736 yesterday and flew her from home KCRP to KLAS.... wow she was fun to fly and loaded 24 pax instead of 120 (business class seating only) she was a rocket.  Now I want to look for a long distance route to take her on. Guess I got tired of flying nothing but scheduled routes.  I've made the KCRP-KLAS trip many times in the C-414 so it was nice to bypass refueling at KELP haha... I know the VFR arrival very well but elected the RNV19R and parked at the FBO.

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In Real-Life, we did a family trip to Anchorage, Alaska (PANC) from Houston, Texas (KIAH), non-stop, years ago. I believe, a 737-800. Regardless, it was roughly an 8.5 hour flight, at around 2900 nm (though Simbrief rates the flight at 7.5 hrs). Let me tell you, it obviously made the flight-distance, but for the passengers, cramped, not fed, and only feeding peanuts was about the dumbest and worst flight of cramped--ness I had ever experienced with any airline (as well as the longest, for me). The scenery below was stunning. The flight was in late June.

 

If I were to do this flight again, I think I would rather go out of Seattle, than Houston, just to shorten the flight. It was uncomfortable, and I felt cramped the whole flight. Not to mention, no food is just ridiculous for an 8.5 hour flight. I never knew these small planes could be so versatile on long-haul flights. I never realized that these smaller planes could fly so far, for so long.

 

However, I see why Boeing is retiring the 747 since their smaller planes can literally do the same longer flights that they couldn't years ago. Considering the flight from New York to London is around 3100 nm miles, perhaps there will be a change from the airlines to the smaller 737? Seems the business model is steering that direction.

 

I took a video of the landing, and posted on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=takH6csSTpo).

 

You'd get this same sort of 'treatment' flying to Hawaii from the continental US. Anything that does not involve a landing outside of US borders is treated as a 'domestic' flight, subject to all the normal service restrictions you'd find on a 45 minute hop between Houston and Dallas.

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Today I am enroute in the B736 with BBJ livery PHLI Kauai HI to homebase KCRP. FP distance is 3525 nm 7+28 flight time. ZFW as limited to 101.6 klbs fuel released was 44,381 lbs with US Flag fuel policy, which is about 97% full. Given that this had light tail winds, I think 3500 nm is a practical limit.

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Thanks for all the kind responses.  

 

For some reason I'm partial to taking off from the Hawaiian Islands and seeing just how far I can get.

 

PHLI (Lihue) to KCRP (Corpus Christy, Texas) sounds like a really fun flight- I just may have to give this one a shot.   Let us know how it goes Dan!

 

Mark Trainer

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Let us know how it goes Dan!

 

It went very well, and I didn't take the shortcut across Mexico. Here's the planned route: LIH.V15.OGG.R577.ELKEY..MZB.J2.FST..SAT.J25.CRP which I pretty much flew as planned except I went direct OGG to overfly Oahu and Maui, which was scenic, and then at FST I flew as if all the military MOAs where cold and turned direct to CRP at FST.

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Sometimes I simulate delivery flights from KBFI to Europe, which means fuel 100%, payload just pilots.

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