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Hi, FSDreamteam has released the beta of the GSX update, that includes a system that actually refuels the airplane. Is that system compatible with the refueling of the PMDG 737/777 airplanes? Thanks.

 

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Hi, FSDreamteam has released the beta of the GSX update, that includes a system that actually refuels the airplane. Is that system compatible with the refueling of the PMDG 737/777 airplanes? Thanks.

The PMDG Intro guide for all their planes states that fueling needs to be done via the PMDG interface not external ones, so I'd say no.

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Are you sure it is actually refueling or only showing the fuel truck driving up to the correct location.

 

I understood from that beta release that you can enter different coordinates so that the fuel truck will connect their hoses at that point instead of the center of the aircraft... (so it is about visuals)

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It's a simple case if GSX is just making some visual stuff, like for boarding/loading bagages which don't change anything in the actual aircraft then it should be no problem at all with PMDG.

 

If the GSX refueling ask you how much fuel to load and actually load fuel in the aircraft fuel tanks, then it's a no go, as it would not make use of the PMDG system for loading fuel. 

 

But I do believe it just makes a visual loading, and actually don't do anything more than this, as it would be very complicated to have something compatible with every possible addons otherwise.

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Gsx can be set up to ignore the default fuel load menu. On the NGX it's set by default. The truck pulls up and connects, then you're prompted to use the pmdg fuel page to fill her up. GSX wants to know how much fuel you want so it can simulate a realistic refueling time.

So basically yes, it's compatible with pmdg as it is in a visual only mode. That's how I understand it.

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I am also unsure on how the refuelling really goes (I fly FSL, PMDG, iFly and MJS), but I may give it a try.

Anyway here's the feature list taken from the FSDT forum (I hope Umberto doesn't mind). It looks quite impressive:

 

- the hoses constantly attached to the wing while the airplane is slowly going down because of the progressive weight increase
- there's a working fuel quantity gauge on the trailer, which you can see if you go close and it shows the actual tank, while it's being emptied
- there's a realistic numeric indication on the truck which show how many gallons are being pumped, in real time
- a progressive refueling simulation is being added to ALL airplanes, which is a feature that is normally only used in hi-end addons. And if you DO have one of these, it will play nicely with it
- the progressive refuel works at realistic speed, according to real world performance specifications of the truck pump
- the truck will do multiple trips, according to its own tank capacity, if needed, which is a feature that can be added to all other GSX vehicles too
- the visual quality is far above anything else in GSX, since the truck supports very high quality 4K textures

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Very nice feature, just waiting for it, when it becomes official.

Cheers, Ed

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To be clear - and from the posts above, it seems that it is not doing this, but...just to make sure - do not let anything other than our own interface change the weights or fuel in the aircraft.

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The PMDG Intro guide for all their planes states that fueling needs to be done via the PMDG interface not external ones, so I'd say no.

 

It's a resounding YES, instead! We explicitly designed the new Refueling  system to work in TWO different modes, in order not to interfere with custom fuel systems.

 

- "Active", used in default airplanes and 3rd party airplanes without a custom refueling system: in this mode, GSX will actually refill the airplane, in the proper way (first the wings, then the central tanks), basically adding a progressive refueling system to any airplane that didn't had it, using real world performances and capacity of pumps so, for example, the largest tanker can hold 10.000 gallons of fuel, and can refill at 1000 gallons per minute.

 

- "Passive", used in 3rd party airplanes that DO have their own Fuel simulations, like the PMDG 777 or the Aerosoft Airbus. In this mode, GSX will NOT touch anything in the Fuel levels, but it will react to what the airplane is doing so, the crew animation will attach the pump, and the system will wait for the airplane doing its own refueling, and will stop when it detects the airplane stopped to refill. And the fuel counter will be synchronized to that the airplane is pumping, but GSX won't dare to touch anything in the fuel system in this mode.

 

The setting that controls how GSX behaves with any given airplane, is the "Show Fuel and Cargo" checkbox in the GSX airplane configuration page. If it's Un-checked, it will work in "Passive" mode, so the plane will command everything and GSX will just react to it.

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Thanks, Umberto, I asked just to be sure, but I know you are too smart to overlook such an important "limitation" for external refueling ;-)

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Where can i get the update

Good question for the FSDT forum.  I assume that like all FSDT updates, it will notify you when an update is available.

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Good question for the FSDT forum.  I assume that like all FSDT updates, it will notify you when an update is available.

I received an email, it is in their forums, since it is still a beta release it will not prompt you to update. I am hoping the GSX Cargo version comes soon! - David Lee

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In the GSX manual the section about re-fueling is re-written and have an example on how to do it with PMDG 777. It is only a visual thing.

 

I am just about to test it with the NGX737 to see what happens. Set fuel in the FMC as usual and then call for refueling.

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Umberto-

 

Sometime AFTER we get the 400 out the door- we should coordinate a bit on this.

 

We can give you some hooks to help sequence the animation times, from hookup to start of fueling, etc.

 

It will take a bit of cooperation- and this late in the game I don't want to tear into making adjustments to that part of the airplane- but I'm certain it can be done.

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The setting that controls how GSX behaves with any given airplane, is the "Show Fuel and Cargo" checkbox in the GSX airplane configuration page. If it's Un-checked, it will work in "Passive" mode, so the plane will command everything and GSX will just react to it.

 

Is this a general setting in a menu or can you specify "Show Fuel and Cargo" for each aircraft separately ?

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Is this a general setting in a menu or can you specify "Show Fuel and Cargo" for each aircraft separately ?

 

It's customizable separately for each airplane.

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We can give you some hooks to help sequence the animation times, from hookup to start of fueling, etc.

 

Hello Robert,

 

Thanks for the proposal.

 

Right now, we just detect if the fuel quantity is raising constantly, and we stop the service when the constant refueling ends. However, since we support multiple tankers doing several trips (the largest one holds 10K gallons, so it cannot refill a 777/747 in one go), there's a gap between the time when one truck leaves and the other arrives so, it would be nice if the plane could momentarily stop refueling when there's no fuel hose attached, which would make it more realistic.

 

In general, I think we can enhance the experience of both our users, if we had more bi-directional communication between GSX and the airplane systems. The bypass pin simulation might be another thing to consider: right now, when GSX is doing Push back, the rudder pedals are "flickering", because they are fighting with GSX. We already have some published variables that the plane code can read, to know if GSX is pushing, so they can momentarily stop controlling the front gear or the rudder pedals, like a true bypass pin.

 

There are so many nice things that might be added if there was more interaction between an airplane and either GSX or even the scenery itself...

 

I'll contact you to discuss it further.

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However, since we support multiple tankers doing several trips (the largest one holds 10K gallons, so it cannot refill a 777/747 in one go), there's a gap between the time when one truck leaves and the other arrives so, it would be nice if the plane could momentarily stop refueling when there's no fuel hose attached, which would make it more realistic.

 

Honestly, "more realistic" would probably mean that it's only a pump truck and not a tank truck. Many international airports that service larger jets have ground hookups that a pump truck just hooks into.

 

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I thought there are multiple connection points on larger airframes, which allows multiple trucks to refuel the aircraft simultaneously?

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Honestly, "more realistic" would probably mean that it's only a pump truck and not a tank truck. Many international airports that service larger jets have ground hookups that a pump truck just hooks into.

 

Well...no. They are BOTH equally realistic, and you cannot say one is more realistic than the other.

 

There are many airports around the world that, for different reasons, don't use an underground refueling system.

 

Here's some examples of international airports, refueling large airplanes with a tanker:

 

787 at Warsaw:

 http://previews.123rf.com/images/stanislaw/stanislaw1308/stanislaw130800037/21456897-WARSAW-AUGUST-4-New-Boeing-787-Dreamliner-of-the-LOT-Polish-Airlines-receiving-fuel-from-tanker-truc-Stock-Photo.jpg

 

777-300 at Saigon:

http://transport-photo.com/samples/Mzc3NjE4NWY4ZGIxZDA2/MTE2ODVmOGRiMWQwNg==/Boeing-777-Refueling.jpg 

 

777 Cargo at Amsterdam Schiphol:

 https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7021/6667966819_cb94c7c565_b.

 

787 at Paine:

 http://www.boeingblogs.com/randy/images/bioana1.jpg

 

Air France 777, unknown location:

 http://avionale.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_ja676MG45Zg/S5wZq6-XQiI/AAAAAAAACmI/JfgQ3V7DVgk/s1600/Air_France_Boeing_777-300ER_refueling.jpg

 

As you can see, there are plenty of examples of large tankers still being used today so, you cannot say one system is more realistic than the other, since they both are.

 

Of course, we made the tanker first, because an hydrant system would require SOME cooperation with the scenery too, so we must find an easy way for users and developers to indicate were the fuel points are located on the airport, we simply cannot place them randomly over the apron: that would be "unrealistic".

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