OK....that is what you got from my post???!! LOL OK YOU got me. You are the winner!! You are smarter than I will ever be!! I now agree with you completely. You have convinced me that new born sea turtles do in fact go towards the sea because it is usually the brightest horizon. I hope i read you "reiterate" correctly. I think I got it now!!

 

 

Dude...

 

This is your OP:

 

 

Point three...We as a group want changes, improvements, more features, 64bit, lighting changes, better ATC and AI just to name a few. Those things are all great but for the life of me, I can not figure out why people who are in this hobby are convinced that all of these things should be free. I am 69 years old and I have never received one dam thing in this life that was free and you are not going to either. If you want a faster car then you pay for it...need a better putter for golf then you pay for it. What on earth is so different about Flight simulators and related software.

 

If you weren't actually saying that people expect improvements for free, then what in the world were you trying to say?

 

No one in this thread ever said anything about getting improvements for free. That's what I'm not getting about your post. 

 

Maybe something is getting lost in translation. 

rcboffa

 

Maybe something is getting lost in translation. 

 

 

Probably is the Translation that is the problem. First, I was responding to rcboffa with my post. That aside, the thing you have to understand is English is not my 1st language. Here in the Congo, we still have to power our computers with steam but hope to get Electric in a year or two. It is better than 2 days by boat to the nearest city that has a Walmart so we can get parts for our sims. The steam limits us to only maybe 30 or 40 minutes flying time in P3d and so that is most probably the reason we don't have problems with frame rates and oom's. For those reasons we don't complain as much as many of our fellow simmers here on this site. I hope that clears thing up for you a bit. I just told Obuly Boobly (my friend) what you have taught me about the turtles and he was very happy. Here with that kind of higher learning you can be selected as tribal King.

rcboffa

 

 

Probably is the Translation that is the problem. First, I was responding to rcboffa with my post. That aside, the thing you have to understand is English is not my 1st language. Here in the Congo, we still have to power our computers with steam but hope to get Electric in a year or two. It is better than 2 days by boat to the nearest city that has a Walmart so we can get parts for our sims. The steam limits us to only maybe 30 or 40 minutes flying time in P3d and so that is most probably the reason we don't have problems with frame rates and oom's. For those reasons we don't complain as much as many of our fellow simmers here on this site. I hope that clears thing up for you a bit. I just told Obuly Boobly (my friend) what you have taught me about the turtles and he was very happy. Here with that kind of higher learning you can be selected as tribal King.

 

 

Well, for the record, I didn't say anything that implied free addons either. And these forums are for civil discussion and opinions, I think you should take your condescending sarcasm somewhere else.

A question....does anyone foresee licencing being an issue bearing in mind that it will be in direct competition to, amongst others, Dovetail's new sim?

I really hope that President Trump's demands for cheaper F-35 airplanes do not stop further development of the P3D, so we never see a v4(64bit) version.

 

Lockheed Martin has annonced they will drive cost aggressively  down in their development departments. Maybe we see the same thing happens again as we saw with Microsoft's

Aces team.

 

 

Lockheed Martin has annonced they will drive cost aggressively  down in their development departments. Maybe we see the same thing happens again as we saw with Microsoft's
Aces team.

 

Unfortunately that is entirely possible

Well it's right there on RA's 49" Sony 4K screen. Whether 64bit isn't known, but at least a new version is in the works! That display though... WOW

Lockheed Martin has annonced they will drive cost aggressively  down in their development departments. Maybe we see the same thing happens again as we saw with Microsoft's

Aces team.

 

Well if that happens, we'd always have Dovetail Flight Simulator to hope for (whenever that's coming...)

Well if that happens, we'd always have Dovetail Flight Simulator to hope for (whenever that's coming...)

Think this is what we should all be hoping for. I for one am not too thrilled to be paying 40% extra from the likes of PMDG and FSL just because P3D is a corporate trainer sim and needs these extra license fees.  Its silly from a home hobbyist perspective. If P3dV4 comes and its 64bit then sure I will buy but its pretty clear its not going to come cheap. If DTGFS does near the same, then lets hope that its embraced rather quickly by users and devs.

Are you really sure there will be a 64bit version of P3D??

 

2017...2018...2019...2020??

Think this is what we should all be hoping for. I for one am not too thrilled to be paying 40% extra from the likes of PMDG and FSL just because P3D is a corporate trainer sim and needs these extra license fees.  Its silly from a home hobbyist perspective. If P3dV4 comes and its 64bit then sure I will buy but its pretty clear its not going to come cheap. If DTGFS does near the same, then lets hope that its embraced rather quickly by users and devs.

 

Not sure I get the picture clear. Why lot of people have high hopes in DTG where it's quite clear that we will have to pay again for everything on Steam? Do you expect a total compatibility with planes and sceneries? In this case I'm afraid there can be little improvements. If LM fails I see no chance for DTG to release a decent simulation, not to mention the poor rendition of their first try.

Not sure I get the picture clear. Why lot of people have high hopes in DTG where it's quite clear that we will have to pay again for everything on Steam? Do you expect a total compatibility with planes and sceneries? In this case I'm afraid there can be little improvements. If LM fails I see no chance for DTG to release a decent simulation, not to mention the poor rendition of their first try.

 

As a long time DTG customer, I can't wait until they release their Flight sim, and then hear the screaming and yelling from purchasers about all the bugs and crashes  and things that don't work right from the start. It should be very entertaining.  :wink:

 

 

I for one am not too thrilled to be paying 40% extra from the likes of PMDG and FSL just because P3D is a corporate trainer sim and needs these extra license fees.

 

I agree with you, but just going to point out that the extra 40% on PMDG's products has nothing to do with corporate licensing. When you buy the product for P3D, it's clear and bold on their website that you're buying it for personal use only. The extra 40% is there because P3D is continually developed (arguable) unlike FSX which was a static platform and PMDG has to put in effort to adjust the product to maintain compatibility with the simulator. So with that said, you should all feel comfortable that you won't have to pay anymore and that you're future proof because of your generous contribution . I'm going to assume that you have to contact PMDG directly if you want a licence for commercial use, and guessing it would cost more.

Do you expect a total compatibility with planes and sceneries?

I sure hope not. If there is , then not much couldve been really improved. At the very least, products should be undergoing some transformation and upgrading and im willing to pay for that upgrade if its reasonable because its a sign that we have made progression. Its the cost of hobbies. New technology = new costs to bear.

 

The extra 40% is there because P3D is continually developed (arguable) unlike FSX which was a static platform and PMDG has to put in effort to adjust the product to maintain compatibility with the simulator.

Hard to comprehend that when nearly all other devs have no issue with that at all, yet face the possibly slight modifications for a new p3d update. I was always under the impression by previous threads im sure I came across that it all has to do with licensing and hiring lawyers and all that legal corporate entity. But we are getting into licensing debates and its not worth discussing. Just saying, if DTGFS is viable , devs shouldnt be charging 40% extra because its in ongoing development.

 

 

Hard to comprehend that when nearly all other devs have no issue with that at all, yet face the possibly slight modifications for a new p3d update. I was always under the impression by previous threads im sure I came across that it all has to do with licensing and hiring lawyers and all that legal corporate entity. But we are getting into licensing debates and its not worth discussing. Just saying, if DTGFS is viable , devs shouldnt be charging 40% extra because its in ongoing development.

 

Agree 100%, I was just describing my understanding of the price increase. I can't justify those prices, so regardless of what happens with P3D in the future (64 bit or whatever), I don't plan to go that route unless maybe I win a substantial amount of money.