A question....does anyone foresee licencing being an issue bearing in mind that it will be in direct competition to, amongst others, Dovetail's new sim?

Not sure how you see P3D as "direct competition for Dovetail" P3D is an existing Flight Simulator that is under constant developement. So far, Dovetail has a dream to build a improved version of FSX but at this point it is what has be refered to as "vaporware" Now that may change in the future. I do however wonder if the announced delay may not signal that Dovetail may have tore off more than they can chew? 

A question....does anyone foresee licencing being an issue bearing in mind that it will be in direct competition to, amongst others, Dovetail's new sim?

 

 

No. 

Actually I think both reasons are valid. Both the increased legal protection from PMDG (and their relationship with Boeing) and the increased and continuous development costs of updating to a "moving" platform. 

So far, Dovetail has a dream to build a improved version of FSX but at this point it is what has be refered to as "vaporware" Now that may change in the future. I do however wonder if the announced delay may not signal that Dovetail may have tore off more than they can chew? 

In view of the credits Dovetail took for their flightsim (read on their website) it's nearly impossible to cancel the project right now. In view of experience from their FlightSchool, their Questionnarie and Newsgroup kind of market research all being rather amateur-like than professional, I am afraid we'll get *something*, and aggresive marketing may help it further.

 

I already read: "Did you ever try to realize your dream to fly....

 

Kind regards, Michael

I really hope that President Trump's demands for cheaper F-35 airplanes do not stop further development of the P3D, so we never see a v4(64bit) version.

 

Lockheed Martin has annonced they will drive cost aggressively  down in their development departments. Maybe we see the same thing happens again as we saw with Microsoft's

Aces team.

It is way early in that battle. I think if we look at the big picture....money....then compared to the cost of the cost of the F-35 we will find that developing the P3D program is just chump change. Also one must consider that P3D is the basis for the F-35 simulator and a very important part of the training package. P3d is of course the basis for many of LM's programs for things like rescue training, disaster prep training and  that list goes on and on. It is hard to imagine much change here and I really don't see it getting dumped like MS did.

No. 

 

Really?

 

Correct me if I am wrong but Dovetail alone have the licence so far as the entertainment market is concerned; if they feel that their sales are being compromised by the somewhat flexible interpretation of P3D's EULA then I can see it becoming an issue.

 

 

if they feel that their sales are being compromised by the somewhat flexible interpretation of P3D's EULA then I can see it becoming an issue.

 

I agree, and I am worried LM will not have a problem clamping down on this.

Let's not go any further down that particular rabbit hole gentlemen, else this topic will wind up locked...

People have been painting those doomsday scenarios for years. They aren't going to happen. 

In view of the credits Dovetail took for their flightsim (read on their website) it's nearly impossible to cancel the project right now. In view of experience from their FlightSchool, their Questionnarie and Newsgroup kind of market research all being rather amateur-like than professional, I am afraid we'll get *something*, and aggresive marketing may help it further.

 

I already read: "Did you ever try to realize your dream to fly....

 

Kind regards, Michael

 

Hope you are right. The total radio silence from them for a simulator that was supposed to be released last year isn't a good sign though.

 

I have no doubt they'll release something. What it amounts to in the face of P3D and XP's advances is very much in doubt though.

True!

 

But it's possible, that the market would/could change - depending on WHAT Dovetail actually releases.

 

I think it was JV from ORBX, (I think it was over on their forums, I read it...) who believed that Dovetail, and not Prepar3D, was the future for entertainment flight simulation products. IIRC, it was something in the lines of, that as soon as Dovetail released their upcoming (and promised) Flight Simulator, the developers for entertainment flight simulation products, would shift to that platform...

 

(I know, I know - JV (or ORBX for that matter...) isn't dictating everything in the 'FS World'. And he's opinions should be taken with some caution. He's also the one stating, that X-Plane had no future (or something to that effect...) )

 

Time will tell, of course.

Indeed, not the best guru for global forecast but he can be right concerning Orbx market. With his choice to stop ORBX development for XPlane he again bet on XP11 failure regarding scenery packages in a couple of years and an explosion of AF2/Dovetail games for commercial scenery. With R&S allocated for other sims he tacitly admit that FSX/PRepare market is somewhat saturated and if Prepared V4 cannot keep up with the core simmer's expectations it's quite obvious that we have already touched the peak of the parabola. Hence right now is more clever to play on multiple fields.

 

The new market opened by AFS2 and Dovetail (if and when released) looks more rewarding than the already established XPlane market mostly based on freeware. From a commercial point of view it makes sense to bet on new customers rather than changing attitude to a freeware oriented community (let's only deal with scenery here because aircraft is of course another matter). With a freeware L18 orthophoto and a good OSM scenery you clearly get for free the same as a hundred bucks package from Orbx. Users know that, developers know that.

 

 

it's quite obvious that we have already touched the peak of the parabola

 

But we have not not yet reached the peak of hyperbole...  :smile:

 

 

But we have not not yet reached the peak of hyperbole... 

 

Aint that the truth.   It's both tragedy and comedy at Avsim every day - all day.

 

I think it was JV from ORBX, (I think it was over on their forums, I read it...) who believed that Dovetail, and not Prepar3D, was the future for entertainment flight simulation products. \

 

Pffft, JV. He was all over P3D when it came out and sang the song how this was the best thing since sliced bread and how P3D was the future of the hobby. Him along with RR are nothing else but skilled salesmen, I don't trust neither one of them.