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I bet you didn't know this could fit through here...

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Sometimes you just get curious about stuff don't you? Y'know, like how many scoops of ice cream it would take to fill up the Albert Hall, or, Would a DC-8 fit through the lower archway of the Eiffel Tower? Well fortunately with a flight sim, you can at least answer the second one of those questions.

Now of course it will physically fit if it is on the ground, since the archway is two hundred and forty three and a half feet wide at the very bottom and a DC-8's wingspan is one hundred and forty one feet, which theoretically gives you just over fifty feet clearance either side if you go low enough, but it is an arch, so flying through it means there's less room if you are at a reasonable height above the ground. The approach seemed a bit tricky, there are plenty of tall buildings nearby, but I figured if I came at it over the Place Joffre then flew down the park in between the Avenue Charles Floquet and the Avenue Emile Deschanel, passing through the arch with a bit of speed on, I could pull up over the Pont d'Iéna and firewall the throttles as I passed over the Avenue de New York on the other side of the Seine, it should mean I would be able to just about fit between the gap in the two halves of the Cité de l'Architecture et du Patrimoine gallery building at the Trocadéro if I couldn't pull up fast enough. It'd be like the world's fastest sightseeing tour or Paris and a lot less messy than filling the Albert Hall with ice cream lol.

It's not easy, but if you like a challenge...

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Et Voila! It actually fits. Now I wonder if you timed an aileron roll right, if you could fit a 737 through the archway above the first tier...? :cool:

 

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Alan, just curious as to what scenery your using here. When I fly Paris with ORBX Global and OpenLC Eu, Paris doesn't look like that. Is this a photoreal scenery?

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13 minutes ago, cmpbellsjc said:

Alan, just curious as to what scenery your using here. When I fly Paris with ORBX Global and OpenLC Eu, Paris doesn't look like that. Is this a photoreal scenery?

I think its XP

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OK Alan, what license did you say you're flying with, full details are necessary to revoke it... And we'll need a blood sample as well... Please!

Dont even think of trying any airplane under the Arc de Triomphe, we shall put a mosquito net!

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Well Chock, you've finally answered one of life's little wonders, could one fly an DC8 under the Eiffel Tower. I can now sleep knowing the answer to this question :biggrin:

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What is the clean maneuvering speed of a DC-8 configured as shown? Sorry, but I'm leaning toward a very clever fake.

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On 9/21/2017 at 7:11 AM, cmpbellsjc said:

Alan, just curious as to what scenery your using here. When I fly Paris with ORBX Global and OpenLC Eu, Paris doesn't look like that. Is this a photoreal scenery?

That's VFR France's Ile de France payware add on for FSX/P3D, which is about 40 quid, but actually that's not bad price-wise if you consider all it includes, i.e. about 20 airfields, most of which have been tarted up a bit, the scenery covers about 5,000 square miles of phototerrain and there is realistic autogen over the top of that, hence all the buildings looking like they should do in Paris. So it is a pretty big download, about 10Gb, but the installation is split into seven zip files, so it isn't too bad to download it:

http://www.francevfr.com/product_vfridfx.htm

It's a bit of a showstopper for FPS with all of that stuff going on, I get about 20-25 fps there in P3D, but if you like Paris scenery and all the airports around it, then it's worth having.

On 9/21/2017 at 10:57 AM, silverheels2 said:

What is the clean maneuvering speed of a DC-8 configured as shown? Sorry, but I'm leaning toward a very clever fake.

Nope, it wasn't a fake, I really did get it through there. Just checked a screenshot I took with the sim info on screen which confirms I was flying at 239 knots when about a quarter of a mile from the tower which is round about where the first screenshot on this thread depicts. The aircraft wasn't completely clean, I did have the first  stage of flaps lowered. I don't know how accurate the Just Flight DC-8 flight model is, it's probably pretty close purely numbers-wise but there aren't too many DC-8s flying these days, so I doubt they had access to a real one to actually check stuff, I do know it's no fighter jet when it comes to manueverability though lol.

Because of that sluggish handling, the right wingtip was really close to the Eiffel Tower as I passed through it, it missed the structure by maybe two feet because I could only just manage to get the thing roughly lined up. This is because I used a dark bronze coloured circular tower block building to the south east of the run in to help me line up quite a long way out, which is pretty much unavoidable because the DC-8 turns about as quickly as the Queen Mary lol. Thus I had to pass to the right of that building and then try to line up quickly with the tower and the park which is why you can see I'm off to the right on the run in. I think that building which I used for orientation might be the Unesco headquarters, but not sure about that, whatever it is, if you have that scenery you will know the building I mean because it really stands out, being much taller and a very different colour to all those pale stone buildings typical of Paris, which surround it.

 

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How do you know that the tower is dimensioned properly? It's been a long time, but I don't remember it  being that wide, wide enough for a dc8 with some room to spare.

tony

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On 9/21/2017 at 4:13 PM, pedrotrindade said:

Sorry about the off topic but how's the DC-8 after the latest update, Alan? 

Well, not flown it much to be honest, since it is only just released for P3D V4, but, it works okay for me (most of the time). Some people are reporting CTDs on the JF forum, but of course that could be user error, although I have had one CTD in P3D V4 myself right after take off when it was intercepting the magenta line for the flight plan. JF have said they couldn't reproduce it on their test computers but would look into it anyway, but it looks to me like it might still have some issues. there is some suggestion it might be a gauge which is causing the problems, and certainly there is something amiss with the FMC, as the fonts are a bit screwed up on it, apparently their L-1011 Tristar (now also allegedly P3D V4 compatible) is also having similar issues.

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The first thing that came to my mind after readi g the title........."that's what she said."

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I visited the Eiffel tower in May.  Security was tight, had to go thru two checkpoints to get in, emptying my pockets and getting wanded, although the security guards were pleasant and smiling.  I wonder, however, how they would apply security to an airliner coming thru?  Their smiles might wane, and dozens of guards would be required to wand the plane.

Great shot, great landmark.  I've been up the Eiffel Tower twice, in 1984 and in 2017.  You really feel the presence of world travelers there, and you really feel like you are at the epicenter of civilization.  At certain times of the week at night, the tower sparkles for a few minutes with little white lights.  I managed a picture of it while I was there in May at the suggestion of my tour director who had taken us on a nighttime trip of Paris landmarks.

Some don't like France, I loved my experience there every time I have visited.  A few French words and the people's hearts will melt for you, I was greeted with nothing but smiles there.  Just remembering to say a gentle "Bonjour" will light up a meeting with the French, it's probably my favorite culture in Europe due to the romance of it all, and that's a compliment coming from an Italian.

John

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8 hours ago, flyforever said:

How do you know that the tower is dimensioned properly? It's been a long time, but I don't remember it  being that wide, wide enough for a dc8 with some room to spare.

tony

It is placed on photorealistic terrain, so the four feet are actually on the feet on the image, you can sort of see that a bit on the last pic, where the real tower's shadow is apparent on the ground texture. If you have been to it for real, you will know it is flipping huge, I was there last week actually but didn't go up it because I already did that a couple of years ago, and I didn't particularly like it, it is a great view but you can feel it shaking as you walk up the stairs to the first tier, which is a bit unnerving lol, and it is a hell of a climb up all of the steps which is why most people  get the elevator, but they're pussies lol.

It also looked right size-wise as I went under it in that DC-8, i.e. there seemed to be about fifty feet to spare either side of the wingspan or at least there would have been if I had been dead centre instead of about two feet clear on the right side. This tallies with the real dimensions: 243.5 feet wide at the base of the inside edges of the arch and 141 wingspan for a DC-8.

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13 hours ago, Chock said:

Well, not flown it much to be honest, since it is only just released for P3D V4, but, it works okay for me (most of the time). Some people are reporting CTDs on the JF forum, but of course that could be user error, although I have had one CTD in P3D V4 myself right after take off when it was intercepting the magenta line for the flight plan. JF have said they couldn't reproduce it on their test computers but would look into it anyway, but it looks to me like it might still have some issues. there is some suggestion it might be a gauge which is causing the problems, and certainly there is something amiss with the FMC, as the fonts are a bit screwed up on it, apparently their L-1011 Tristar (now also allegedly P3D V4 compatible) is also having similar issues.

Good to know, thanks for the feedback, Alan.

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