Joned

Goodbye FSX - thank you Windows 10 !

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I am so gutted !
I'm using a Windows 10 Home OS.
For years I have enjoyed a great hobby and pastime, invested a lot of money with add on's etc including ORBX sceneries. Now the latest Windows 10 upgrade 1709 has put a stop to all that.
FSX -S opens OK, but any command from the menu produces the "An unsupported operation was attempted" followed by program shut down.
Apparently the 1709 upgrade has affected many FSX-S users. 
I've reinstalled FSX but made no difference. There doesn't seem anything else I can do.

I was thinking of buying P3D to replace FSX, but apparently many P3D users are experiencing problems as well.

Microsoft really sucks !

Its been great, really great, but its all over it seems.
Unless someone knows something I don't..

Regards all..

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Sorry to hear you're having problems, Joned.  In the vast majority of cases, problems like these are more about your specific hardware/software configuration than the OS itself.  Unfortunately, OS updates can cause issues, but in most cases they can be solved.  Have you gone through the "AVSIM CTD Guide" linked on the RH side of the Avsim Home page?

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The AVSIM CTD Guide link is not working and we hope to have it fixed by the end of the day.

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Maybe this?  It affects more than just PMDG products.  Just have to wait it out until Microsoft issues a fix.

 

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It is very terrible indeed but with the idea that a majority of my products work with P3Dv4 I went ahead and got it. This update was my deciding factor to switch and I recommend you do as well. All I can say is that I was not happy repurchasing the PMDG products again. Hopefully you can find a solution but if not you may need to make the change.

Clay

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There will be an update for windows 10 on Dec 12.  Prepar3d has been in touch with MS about this.  Once that fix comes in few days, it should eliminate this bug that lot of people are affected by 1709 update.  There are other programs than FSX which too are affected by this bug.

Hang in there, the fix is coming by Tuesday

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4 hours ago, ClaytonYosten said:

It is very terrible indeed but with the idea that a majority of my products work with P3Dv4 I went ahead and got it. This update was my deciding factor to switch and I recommend you do as well. All I can say is that I was not happy repurchasing the PMDG products again. Hopefully you can find a solution but if not you may need to make the change.

Clay

As I stated in a previous post, going to P3Dv4 is not an option for some of us who are on fixed incomes, especially retirees such as myself. Plus having to re-purchase some addons? No way some of us can do that. For those who can go to P3D I'm happy for them, but it is not an option for everyone. :dry:

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Forgive me if this is stupid question, but who is responsible for making sure any given software works on any given OS? A developer creates software for a particular OS. Then the OS changes. It is interesting to me that some folks then have a problem, and some, using the same software and OS, do not. Is it the responsibility of the OS maker to make sure that every piece of software works on every computer and OS? Sure, developer and OS maker can work together, but in the end, who must make it happen? So, yes, hardware comes into play. If it was just Windows, no one's addons would work. Do add on developers change their software to work with a new OS? I don't use any so I don't know. Or do they expect the OS to change for them? 

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6 hours ago, charliewards said:

It’s Windows 10, not hardware. And FYI my P3D v4 is working fine... probably because it’s 64 bit.

So why doesn't everyone have the same error?

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Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the Windows update actually does? I am assuming a lot of people thought ut was a good idea too. I used to marvel at the way they kept upgrading MS Office when the version they replaced had no problems. Change for the sake of it? Justifying jobs? Seemed stupid and annoying to me.

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1 hour ago, AOB said:

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the Windows update actually does? I am assuming a lot of people thought ut was a good idea too. I used to marvel at the way they kept upgrading MS Office when the version they replaced had no problems. Change for the sake of it? Justifying jobs? Seemed stupid and annoying to me.

Exactly my thoughts! Many sites, involved in one now, one of my personal healthcare monitor sites. Everything was fine and then all of sudden, screens change, results not accurate. IT people have to make changes and usually the end user ends up with a mess! "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Leave well enough alone!

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Guide has been released.  Link to the guide is in my signature.  The link under Hot Spots will not work yet.

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8 hours ago, charliewards said:

It’s Windows 10, not hardware. And FYI my P3D v4 is working fine... probably because it’s 64 bit.

Or maybe because you don't dick around with it! :biggrin:

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I know everyone's just trying to help and has the best of intentions, but I'm still seeing the "well it works on my end, so the problem must be with your software/hardware" getting thrown around after months of this error being posted about across various forums and social media. I personally have done a completely fresh install of Win 10 Pro from brand new 1709 installation media and still get the "child window" and/or "unsupported operation" errors. There is a compatibility problem with build 1709 and certain 32bit applications. For crying out loud, there is even a post on LM's official forums about it (because it affects P3D v3 which is still a 32bit application.) Please stop insinuating improper usage. Thank you :)

-it only affects FSX and P3D v3 (or earlier) NOT P3D v4

-it usually crops up with complex add ons like A2A, PMDG, FSDT GSX, etc. So "I have a totally default install of FSX and it works great, I don't see the problem, it must be you!" is probably true. It's the combination of multiple add ons + 32bit sim + 1709 that is the problem

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guys and gals - please wait for the fix on Dec 12.  Lets hope Microsoft releases the patch

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12 hours ago, charliewards said:

It’s Windows 10, not hardware. And FYI my P3D v4 is working fine... probably because it’s 64 bit.

I am on Windows 10 Home Premium and my FSX is running flawlessly. Saddened to hear of your frustration. Hope you find a solution. This is too great an activity to give up on!

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1709 screwed up FSW for me.  Had to re-install FSW to get it working, so I feel your pain molleh.

What is the point of an OS "service" if the updates to the "service" break things which work.

Prior to doing a re-install, I even tried the recommended System Restore option to revert the "service" prior to the update.  Guess what happened? FSW still didn't work.  And as soon as it went to shut down - re-updated to 1709 which broke things.

I was fortunate enough that re-installing the program afterwards fixed it, but lost my profile info, because I forgot to backup the 2 .bin files which aren't stored on the Steam cloud.

Every time I see the Update thing pending, I'm terrified something else won't work.  Really close to reverting back to Windows 8.1 (only $11 US) which doesn't have forced updates.

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I find it interesting that in the case of FSX, we have a program that we all complain about. It's poorly coded, unfinished, a resource hog, and wouldn't run on most computers when it first came out. Yet most people have run it on every OS between then and now. I have. Compared to all the add ons that people buy, FSX costs next to nothing. Yet some add ons keep not working when the OS changes or updates. We all know this. I have plenty of software that was written well before W 10, but works anyway.No matter the OS or hardware. 

Most updates are security updates, of which I am glad. Microsoft had issued a patch that guarded against the last big hack, months before it happened. Lots of business and individuals were hurt because they did not update.

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I was having problems too but got a Windows update about four days ago and it look's like everything is fixed.

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Not to throw a spanner into the works, but I have a new Win10 sim computer and even P3Dv4 has issues with the 1709 update...

Here's hoping the Dec 12 update will restore things to normal again.

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Every update season I regret using Windows 10. It is a beautiful OS but Microsoft cannot go one major update without breaking something. Microsoft needs to stop trying to be like Apple, it will never happen. Is there any way to disable content updates?

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2 hours ago, Hansaspeed said:

Is there any way to disable content updates?

Nope.  You can limit them, but never turn them completely off.

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MS lost my business with Windows 10.  I don't think I'll ever go back.  Windows 10 is like ME and Vista all in one.  My last laptop purchase was a MacBook Pro.  I don't understand what MS are doing.  Windows 7 was great, and so was XP.  Now they're making garbage.  Windows 10 is so slow at my work and I've yet to see a Windows 10 perform fast.

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1 hour ago, Orlaam said:

MS lost my business with Windows 10.  I don't think I'll ever go back.  Windows 10 is like ME and Vista all in one.  My last laptop purchase was a MacBook Pro.  I don't understand what MS are doing.  Windows 7 was great, and so was XP.  Now they're making garbage.  Windows 10 is so slow at my work and I've yet to see a Windows 10 perform fast.

The thing is I find Windows 10 to be a great operating system but Microsoft keep ruining it. The UI is amazing, I find it marginally faster then 7, and I feel it has more useful features. Yet Microsoft keep finding ways to bloat it into being useless. They bloat it with extra apps no one needs or wants, they bloat it with updates that break the software we really want to use, and they bloat it with services that do nothing but slow it down. I for one will never by a Windows product for anything other then gaming.

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