October 19, 20196 yr Another vote for the Maddog and it's considerably less expensive than the FSL A320. Fantastic value. Alan Ampolsk"Ah, Paula, they are firing at me!"-- Saint-Exupery
October 19, 20196 yr If you like analog gauges and old school navigation, go get the Coolsky DC9. One of my favorites.. Mike Edited October 19, 20196 yr by Mikelab6 Mike Lab WIN10 / I7-6700K HT ON / GTX980 / 16 GB RAM / 3 x SAMSUNG EVO 1TB SSD / 1 X WD BLACK 2TB HDD / 32" 60hz Monitor @ 2560x1440 / P3Dv4.4 No AM, Locked to 59 FPS, VSync ON, Triple buffering enabled Process Lasso used to unload all other applications than P3D running on core 0
October 19, 20196 yr Maybe you want to compare how Bombardier did the Turboprop (Dash-8) and the Jet (CRJ)? Both are similar in that they do not have Autothrust, which means extra workload and attention to airspeed. Both have similar, but not identical autoflight panels. Both have their quirks: I like to fly both. Wait until Aerosoft´s Professional CRJ series comprising 700, 900 and 1000 is out. They are in beta-test at present. Michael Michael Thesen MSFS, HP Reverb G2, Gigabyte B760 32Gb, Samsung 970 EVO, Geforce RTX 4070-TI, Win11, i7-14700KF, Thrustmaster T16000M, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
October 19, 20196 yr Before sending big money consider where flight simulator will be 6-12 months....FS2020! I know I'm not spending until confirmation/compatibility with the new MS Flight Simulator. Darryl
October 19, 20196 yr 30 minutes ago, SP2472 said: Before sending big money consider where flight simulator will be 6-12 months....FS2020! I know I'm not spending until confirmation/compatibility with the new MS Flight Simulator. In 6-12 months we're likely going to have FS2020...stock...with probably an additional year or more after that before good hi-fidelity add-ons begin to appear...and that *IF* it's everything it's hyped-up to be (and we all hope it is). So is our money wasted on a high-quality add-on that we can fly now and throughout the next 2+ years until FS2020 is really (or not really) an option? I think not. Heck, a decent afternoon of golfing costs as much as a high-end aircraft add-on. Back to topic, there are a fairly limited number of choices in the hi-fidelity (aka "study-level") space. For hi-fidelity jets in P3Dv4, the PMDG and iFly Boeings, the Leonardo MD-88, and the FSL Scarebus are on the top tier, IMHO. The iFly Boeings (737NG/747-400) and the Maddog X are both more modestly priced for add-ons in that group. In the next tier down I'd put the Qualitywings 787, Coolsky DC-9, and CaptainSim 757. The TFDI 717 would be in that second group if it weren't an unstable CTD monster for so many people. Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 19, 20196 yr Commercial Member 31 minutes ago, w6kd said: In 6-12 months we're likely going to have FS2020...stock...with probably an additional year or more after that before good hi-fidelity add-ons begin to appear...and that *IF* it's everything it's hyped-up to be (and we all hope it is). So is our money wasted on a high-quality add-on that we can fly now and throughout the next 2+ years until FS2020 is really (or not really) an option? I think not. Heck, a decent afternoon of golfing costs as much as a high-end aircraft add-on. Back to topic, there are a fairly limited number of choices in the hi-fidelity (aka "study-level") space. For hi-fidelity jets in P3Dv4, the PMDG and iFly Boeings, the Leonardo MD-88, and the FSL Scarebus are on the top tier, IMHO. The iFly Boeings (737NG/747-400) and the Maddog X are both more modestly priced for add-ons in that group. In the next tier down I'd put the Qualitywings 787, Coolsky DC-9, and CaptainSim 757. The TFDI 717 would be in that second group if it weren't an unstable CTD monster for so many people. Regards Absolutely could not agree more Bob. Spot on. I'm going to enjoy the hobby while I wait not only for the sim to be released, but I won't use it much until there are third party airliner addons and who knows what is. Dave Hodges System Specs: I9-13900KF, NVIDIA 4070TI, Quest 3, Multiple Displays, Lots of TERRIFIC friends, 3 cats, and a wonderfully stubborn wife.
October 19, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, DavidP said: You can't drink champagne on a beer budget mate 😬 Yeah, but come on - even at its new, slightly higher price, the Leonardo Maddog is 36 percent less expensive than the FSL A320. Put another way, you can buy the Maddog for 64 cents on the FSL dollar. That’s not a small difference. And the Maddog isn’t exactly beer quality, either. The OP didn’t say that he didn’t want to spend for quality, only that he found the FSL too much for his particular budget - which one could, it’s one of the most expensive add-ons out there. No doubt it’s a fantastic product, but you can spend less and come away with something in the same league, and not Virtualcol at all (as another poster suggested). There’s value-priced champagne to be had, is all I’m saying. Edited October 20, 20196 yr by Alan_A Alan Ampolsk"Ah, Paula, they are firing at me!"-- Saint-Exupery
October 19, 20196 yr +1 for the Leonardo Maddog. It's an amazing value. The amount of updates they have provided at no extra cost is amazing. Great support. I think it's my favorite plane.
October 20, 20196 yr Maddog is among the best...the Majestic Q is the best imho, especially when I consider efficiently it runs on my system. The Maddog seems to be pretty much as efficient, and top notch for systems and immersion, with superb flight dynamics, like the Q. Kind Regards, i7-6700k • Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5 • 32GB DDR4 2666 • EVGA FTW ULTRA RTX3080 12GB
October 20, 20196 yr 48 minutes ago, overspeed3 said: Ahhh. Landing the Q without a blown tire or two: My current obsession... I just did a -93 and a -26 landing with the Q400. The HUGS helps out a lot with landing it smoothly. Robert Yunque PilotEdge Ratings = CAT-11 (2016-09-13) I-11 (2016-10-23) V-3 (2016-08-01)
October 20, 20196 yr Any Airbus in any sim is as boring and sterile to fly as the real one. If you are interested in hand flying your aircraft, at least partially, I'd also highly recommend the MD80. Much more character, personality and of course much more elegant as well. Edited October 20, 20196 yr by FDEdev
October 20, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, FDEdev said: Any Airbus in any sim is as boring and sterile to fly as the real one. Boring, sterile in what sense ? I am a GA/WB simmer but I am toying with the idea to go to an airliner. I am watching the 320 YT of a pilot (Blackbox711) and I find it interesting to fly. But I don’t honestly know much about flying liners. How is the NG737 less boring, less sterile for instance ? What is character/personality of such aircraft ? Edited October 20, 20196 yr by domkle Dominique Simming since 1981 - [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam
October 20, 20196 yr I’d say wait for PMDG to re-release an updated JS-41 for P3D... Would be an excellent equivalent..!!! Chris Camp
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