I tried MSFS and come to the conclusion that it was built for the new comers to flight sims  it is a game not a simulator if they want  the hardened flight sim folk to take it on they have got a hell of a lot of work to do

If you own a Xbox and still in your teens then go for it

16 minutes ago, airservices said:

I tried MSFS and come to the conclusion that it was built for the new comers to flight sims  it is a game not a simulator if they want  the hardened flight sim folk to take it on they have got a hell of a lot of work to do

If you own a Xbox and still in your teens then go for it

The issue that drove me from P3D to XP11 was the horrible graphics which lets be honest are just a polished version of FSX's graphics. Now that I have MSFS2020,It'll be hard to go back to looking at XP11 let alone P3D....to me (real world pilot) most of the immersion comes from graphics,then again I fly mainly GA in sim and FS2020 is great for GA airliners wise its pretty bad.

18 minutes ago, airservices said:

I tried MSFS and come to the conclusion that it was built for the new comers to flight sims  it is a game not a simulator if they want  the hardened flight sim folk to take it on they have got a hell of a lot of work to do

If you own a Xbox and still in your teens then go for it

Seems like a silly conclusion for a sim that is less than three weeks old, and hasn't even had it's first patch yet, let alone a major update.

It feels like a lot of "hardened flight sim folk" are really looking to reassure themselves that this nascent simming platform is no threat to whatever their platform of choice has been for the last X years, for a variety of reasons.

It'd just be nice if more people could take a look at it with open arms, and see it for both what it does well now, and what it can be with months and years of updates and patches in response to feedback, instead of snarking about how add-ons are still a thing in it, or what have you. (This is a more general statement, not addressed to you)

Personally, I suspect MSFS is very much going to be the simming platform of the future, and it's just a matter of fixing things that currently don't work right, and letting the add-on market catch up.  But if people want to use P3D or XP, there's nothing wrong with that.  It's a hobby, not a zero sum bloodsport.

yeah,

i'm definitely chilled out & enjoying all the flight sims we have now,

good times!

16 minutes ago, z06z33 said:

to me (real world pilot) most of the immersion comes from graphics

Very well put. I feel giddy everytime I fly the default c172 in MSFS and marvel about the sick details of the landscape. Even the grove ahead of the grass strip were my club practice short landings with obstacles is there in MSFS. That is unreal.

1 hour ago, airservices said:

If you own a Xbox and still in your teens then go for it

Condescending, patronizing claptrap, and completely wrong. You can see where we are here, when the most popular threads in this section are attemping to bash the new sim and those that enjoy using it.

 

2 hours ago, airservices said:

hardened flight sim folk

 🤪

All I'm really missing is one good study level GA and one study level airliner. Until we get those I really have nothing to do in MSFS2020.

6 hours ago, Scottoest said:

It feels like a lot of "hardened flight sim folk" are really looking to reassure themselves that this nascent simming platform is no threat to whatever their platform of choice has been for the last X years, for a variety of reasons.

Bingo

8 hours ago, Scottoest said:

It feels like a lot of "hardened flight sim folk" are really looking to reassure themselves that this nascent simming platform is no threat to whatever their platform of choice has been for the last X years, for a variety of reasons.

It'd just be nice if more people could take a look at it with open arms, and see it for both what it does well now, and what it can be with months and years of updates and patches in response to feedback, instead of snarking about how add-ons are still a thing in it, or what have you. (This is a more general statement, not addressed to you)

Nah. I'll drop P3D faster than you can say 'paid beta test' and move solely to MSFS once they fix the always-on turbulence, control sensitivity issues and the first high quality payware airliner arrives.

I'm hopeful for "months and years of updates and patches in response to feedback", but as I explained in the 'For Years to Come .... Maybe ....' thread, Jorg Neumann's quote of 'Asobo are here to develop and improve MSFS for the next 10 years' is pure marketing spiel.
If MSFS doesn't bring in the expected revenues, if Asobo's priorities are shifted to developing a new product, if economic circumstances change, we'll be left with a half complete flight sim.
10 years is a very long time. People come and go, the passion for flying shown Asobo and MS could disappear with a change of those in charge.

MSFS has a lot of potential and it has very pretty visuals. It just isn't enjoyable as a flight sim at the moment. P3D (admittedly with all the bells and whistles included) does a much better job.
 

Edited September 2, 20205 yr by F737NG

24 minutes ago, F737NG said:

10 years is a very long time

All "10 years" means to me is that Microsoft is committing to keeping the servers up for 10 years.  

I'd expect to get at least 3 to 5 years of good development in any case.  They've probably got that much work ahead of them anyway.  

I'm still waiting for a version of P3D with streaming scenery. 😄 

Hook

it's actually rather bizarre the amount of people who head over to a P3D forum to bash it and defend msfs.  Dare I say pathetic.  If everything was as good as the few of you guys suggest why are you hear reading the P3D forum?  It's also strange how emotional this gets to some people.  I have both sims right now.  I see some great things about MSFS.  Very good shot it becomes the future platform.  But as I've said before.  It's not ready for my kind of flying.  When I can fly very realistic 737/747/777/A320/MD88/717 equipment on vatsim with real weather and correct airport layouts then we are talking.  Oh and at good performance in 4k.  I did a flight the other day into Daytona Beach in the MSFS A320.  I told myself to not worry about the airplane as in the future I'll be using something on a higher level.  I was blown away by the scenery when landing at the airport.  However then I got to the terminal and found no jetways.  Just a small example of how much more needs to be done in MSFS.  

26 minutes ago, LHookins said:

All "10 years" means to me is that Microsoft is committing to keeping the servers up for 10 years.  

I'd expect to get at least 3 to 5 years of good development in any case.  They've probably got that much work ahead of them anyway.  

I'm still waiting for a version of P3D with streaming scenery. 😄 

Hook

Here I fly in Europe / Northern Africa only and have PR scenery + custom AG ...

Like MSFS using cached mode without streaming ...
 

 

2 hours ago, micstatic said:

it's actually rather bizarre the amount of people who head over to a P3D forum to bash it and defend msfs.  Dare I say pathetic.  If everything was as good as the few of you guys suggest why are you hear reading the P3D forum?  It's also strange how emotional this gets to some people.  I have both sims right now.  I see some great things about MSFS.  Very good shot it becomes the future platform.  But as I've said before.  It's not ready for my kind of flying.  When I can fly very realistic 737/747/777/A320/MD88/717 equipment on vatsim with real weather and correct airport layouts then we are talking.  Oh and at good performance in 4k.  I did a flight the other day into Daytona Beach in the MSFS A320.  I told myself to not worry about the airplane as in the future I'll be using something on a higher level.  I was blown away by the scenery when landing at the airport.  However then I got to the terminal and found no jetways.  Just a small example of how much more needs to be done in MSFS.  

 I can’t believe people would actually attack other forums. This is getting toxic.

9 minutes ago, SirKibble said:

 I can’t believe people would actually attack other forums. This is getting toxic.

I would think some of the biggest offenders will be on to the next call of duty soon.  or whatever the next big game is

13 hours ago, airservices said:

If you own a Xbox and still in your teens then go for it

Substituting PC for Xbox...said the real world pilot to the pilot wannabe flying P3D. P3D is a 'game':  you lose nothing when your plane crashes.  Yes, of course it's a deep simulation, but ultimately it's just a game designed to learn from sure, but largely it's entertainment, just like all other games.

Edited September 2, 20205 yr by Noel